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IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers
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#82This is just ridiculous. This goes way beyond what they originally intended with stopping suspected IP Theft or backdoors by Huawei. This is a black day for academic progress and research in general.
Google Scholar or Wikipedia websites has been banned in China for a decade, Do you think this is ridiculous?
It is a mistake for China gov to ban wiki or google scholar. It is a mistake for US gov to ask IEEE to ban Chinese as well.However, you can not say that US gov is right in this way because China gov has done something wrong.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, that's not great either. That's the Chinese gov wanting to block knowledge from outside about political events, probably. This is something worse though in my opinion, since it actively halts innovation standardization which shouldn't have anything to do with politics.
With all due respect to academics, banning political opposition is far worse. Freedom is more important than new IEEE standards.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google Scholar or Wikipedia websites has been banned in China for a decade, Do you think this is ridiculous?
One is caused by an authoritarian government, the other one is applied to individual researchers and academic freedom as whole.
That so called "authoritarian" government is more honest than your adopted "free world" government. Therefore, if you can turn a blind eye to the "free world", then please use those unseeing eyes of yours more frequently. Yes, two can speak your second language, you spineless "dissident".
Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers
#85I am lucky that I have not joined the IEEE as a member. In the future, I will refuse to be a journal article reviewer. I will not do free work for such an organization anymore.
I am not even sure they wanted to do this It might be action out caution to avoid legal repercussions. I think it's extreme, but I am not IEEE's lawyers. So let's not jump to conclusions about motivations.
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#86IEEE is registered in USA, so it has to follow the USA's law and rules, so I think it's not an issue of IEEE but an issue of BIS, please try to figure out that.
Companies domiciled in the PRC also has to follow PRC's laws and regulations (whether they are compatible with our values is another question). Using the same ridiculous logic we've seen throughout this whole saga, we can also conclude that IEEE is "literally the US government".
Whatever literal game, law is law, and my suggestion is to try to figure out why HW is in the BIS list.
Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers
#87IEEE is registered in USA, so it has to follow the USA's law and rules, so I think it's not an issue of IEEE but an issue of BIS, please try to figure out that.
It is an issue of IEEE. It shouldn't be registered in USA. Switzerland is much better.
Unfortunately, the fact is that IEEE is a native USE organization, and the rule and law have always been there for long time. We cannot ban them just because it currently face a Chinese company, And then agin, to try to figure out why HW is listed in the BIS list.
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#88It’s so sad that academic world is polluted by the politics. Who benefits from this!
Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers
#89(Originally posted on dupe; re-posting here)
With the ambient positive mood regarding the significant rise of sci-hub, open publishing commitments from academics and institutions and the correspondingly significant pressure on rent-seeking publishers, perhaps we will see parallel pressure extend to politically partisan or subjugated organizations until an open science free of such politicking emerges?
One solution would be anonymous scientific publication and review. Imagine that: let science stand on science, instead of appeals to authority. The bonus with such an approach is that it simultaneously solves for various "isms".