Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users • Hacker News Board

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by drilldrive » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:06 AM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

I currently use Firefox, and recently (likely owing to multi-processing) Firefox eats up 2G of RAM for me[0]. I have ~700 tabs open so that may be a factor as well. Other than this the browser works great for me, and I have always used Firefox as my main browser.

[0] https://i.imgur.com/O8vvwUC.png

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by ehmish » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:07 AM UTC

RonanTheGrey wrote: post #384

latortuga wrote: post #376

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This has got to be some bullshit shilling. I use all those sites all day every damn day with no problem in Firefox whatsoever.

Agree, those are my regulars and I solidly use Firefox for daily browsing and have never had those issues on those sites.

nah i've had it too, granted it's on a 10 year old Xeon box I got for 40 bucks 4 years ago on an equipment auction at my work, but Asana and clickup are unusably slow, so when I last tried to switch for Firefox I'd just use them in a chrome instance ( where it was actually usable) ,the trouble was I would keep accidentally opening links etc in chrome and before I knew it I was using just the chrome browser.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:08 AM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #413

m-p-3 wrote: post #150

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I ditched Chrome and came back to Firefox, next step is to donate to Mozilla.

Yep, I'm about to ditch Chrome altogether now. I gritted my teeth and just handled a few of the more bone-headed changes the Chrome team made, but this latest change is a deal breaker. The truth is, I actually don't need Chrome for anything. Firefox is faster now, gives me more freedom and has less corporate affiliations. I'll stick with Mozilla.

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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:09 AM UTC

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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by user764743 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:09 AM UTC

Well I guess using a browser made by an ad company isn't a good idea after all.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by jamiequint » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:10 AM UTC

justsee wrote: post #262

jamiequint wrote: post #199

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What you're doing is the equivalent of walking into a store, picking up $100 of merchandise, slapping $10 on the counter and walking out because "I'm happy to buy your products, but your prices are ridiculous". It's not a very moral position to take.

gorhill makes a moral argument on the other side of yours [1]: That said, it's important to note that using a blocker is NOT theft. Don't fall for this creepy idea. The ultimate logical consequence of blocking = theft is the criminalisation of the inalienable right to privacy. Your analogy is flawed because it assumes the customer walking into the store retains their privacy and is not charged any hidden costs. A mor…

I'm much more sympathetic to the privacy point of view than the "pages loading twice as fast and hours of extra battery life" is my right so I'm going to remove your ability to make money so I can have your content faster.

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Post by rohan1024 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:11 AM UTC

jasonhansel wrote: post #294

phiresky wrote: post #39

From the author of uBlock on this: What we see are the public statements, for public consumption, they are designed to "sell" the changes to the wider public. What we do not see is what is being said in private meetings by officers who get to decide how to optimize the business. So we have to judge not by what is said for public consumption purpose, but by what in effect is being done, or what they plan to do. This i…

uBlock should really just instruct users to "switch to firefox for a fast, up-to-date ad-blocking experience"

Yes we can ditch chrome. But what about general population? Now that websites may choose to give incompatiblity prompts to Firefox since it impacts there revenue through ads. They will ask users to switch to chrome. This might affect Firefox in long run. It's market share might drop.

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Post by roca » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:12 AM UTC

techntoke wrote: post #458

roca wrote: post #78

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Chromium is still controlled by Google. Exhibit A: this ad-blocking API issue, where Google decisions will affect all Chromium browsers. (Sure, they can maintain patches against upstream, but over time that becomes non-viable.) If Google's behaviour concerns you, you need to use Firefox or Safari.

Chromium is much easier to compile once you take into account all the requirements.

This is a strange comment. On Linux at least, Firefox is far easier and quicker to get building from scratch than Chromium. I've done both relatively recently.

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Post by plaguuuuuu » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:14 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #295

thrower123 wrote: post #291

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It's largely proven by decades of experience at this point that you cannot make the average software user care about ideological concerns. Especially if you use terms like libre that don't makes any sense to people that haven't drunk the FOSS koolaid.

Ok, then it could be played a little harder, for example by introducing a (small) performance penality for visitors that use chrome.

Well, apparently, all you'll need to do is put ads on your site and people will probably start switching ;)

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Post by toomuchtodo » Thu, May 30, 2019, 4:15 AM UTC

sjwright wrote: post #446

anonymous5133 wrote: post #343

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If google moves forward with this we should all start randomly clicking on ads until advertisers start to realize that they're basically throwing their money away on advertising that doesn't work :) Let's hit 'em where it hurts.

Yes, let's beat Google by giving them more money by increasing the overall advertising hit rate in an organic, nearly untraceable fashion. Wait, what was the logic of that again?

It pits advertisers with deep pockets against Google's deep pockets, without the need to have deep pockets yourself.