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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by behringer » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:53 AM UTC

ljm wrote: post #98

user17843 wrote: post #53

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Indeed, almost the entire ad-blocking market is controlled by the company behind Adblock Plus (eyeo GmbH), who has contracts with Google. It appears they also own AdBlock, and uBlock (not confused with uBO), so during the last years they basically tried to capture the entire market. The fact that Eyeo has >150 employees tells us something about the amount of money to be made from ad blocking. Although they have only…

This is why it’s so unfortunate and frustrating that people are depending so much on Chromium/Blink. Electron, various browsers that are just skins over the embedded framework... We were still dealing with legacy IE6 (and IE 7/8 by that point also) in 2013! Almost a decade since we got Firefox and the first version of Chrome. The web has empirically suffered through homogeneity and the lack of strong competitors in t…

If it doesn't work in Firefox I don't use it. I've been using Firefox for as long as I can remember, probably shortly after it was made and Netscape died. And would never use Chrome. Chrome users are now going to be betrayed and just didn't see it coming. I look forward to Firefox' upcoming rebound which I have every faith this news will spur on.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by briandear » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:53 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #295

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It's largely proven by decades of experience at this point that you cannot make the average software user care about ideological concerns. Especially if you use terms like libre that don't makes any sense to people that haven't drunk the FOSS koolaid.

Ok, then it could be played a little harder, for example by introducing a (small) performance penality for visitors that use chrome.

Then you simply lose users. How do they know Chrome is the reason your site is slow when others’ aren’t?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by markbnj » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:54 AM UTC

>> Just remember to unblock sites you wish to support financially.

The way ad networks function, is unblocking a site you want to support any different at all from unblocking everything?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by cortesoft » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:54 AM UTC

latortuga wrote: post #376

sergiotapia wrote: post #328

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I did give Firefox a _serious_ exclusive try for the past two months. It's terrible for heavy websites. Clickup, PivotalTracker, JIRA, Zeplin - the browser just chokes on these sites and get janky. On Chrome they are butter smooth. I don't know what to do. I want to use anything other than Chrome, but I also want a sane workday and not have the browser jank my day up constantly. I would use Brave but they don't have…

This has got to be some bullshit shilling. I use all those sites all day every damn day with no problem in Firefox whatsoever.

It might really depend on hardware and OS... we would have to know a lot more about both of your setups to determine why you guys are getting such different experiences.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by jklm » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:54 AM UTC

latortuga wrote: post #376

sergiotapia wrote: post #328

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I did give Firefox a _serious_ exclusive try for the past two months. It's terrible for heavy websites. Clickup, PivotalTracker, JIRA, Zeplin - the browser just chokes on these sites and get janky. On Chrome they are butter smooth. I don't know what to do. I want to use anything other than Chrome, but I also want a sane workday and not have the browser jank my day up constantly. I would use Brave but they don't have…

This has got to be some bullshit shilling. I use all those sites all day every damn day with no problem in Firefox whatsoever.

Is it possible this is a hardware-related issue?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by dredmorbius » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:56 AM UTC

ori_b wrote: post #326

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This kinda erases history. IE was riddled with security flaws and stagnant beyond belief when Firefox usurped it. There was a compelling reason to use an IE alternative back then - they actually offered something IE couldn't give. Chrome doesn't have that problem.

The web standards were also much simpler then. It was difficult but tractable for a small team of volunteers to implement and keep up with them. That ship has sailed.

Standards often shift be a substantial reconsolidation, in which numerous side features are discarded.

HTML itself emerged from such a consolidation (from SGML) and went through this process a few times. There are numerous other examples of technical recapitulation.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:57 AM UTC

keypusher wrote: post #387

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More like 40. I usually try to run < 10, but sometimes it gets out of hand...I tend to have multiple "tasks" of research going on at the same time. Like if I start researching at home at night I'll sometimes leave it open through a whole workday until I can return to it at night. Then multiple things at work, etc. So yeah...probably my browsing habits that may need to change.

You should try the Tree Style Tabs add-on for Firefox. You may need to tweak some of the settings a bit, but once you experience the power of this extension I guarantee you really won’t ever go back to Chrome.

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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by finder83 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:58 AM UTC

keypusher wrote: post #387

finder83 wrote: post #375

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More like 40. I usually try to run < 10, but sometimes it gets out of hand...I tend to have multiple "tasks" of research going on at the same time. Like if I start researching at home at night I'll sometimes leave it open through a whole workday until I can return to it at night. Then multiple things at work, etc. So yeah...probably my browsing habits that may need to change.

You should try the Tree Style Tabs add-on for Firefox. You may need to tweak some of the settings a bit, but once you experience the power of this extension I guarantee you really won’t ever go back to Chrome.

Oh wow, this looks great. Thanks! Seems to fit my workflow pretty perfectly.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by cortesoft » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:58 AM UTC

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And without privacy invasion implications. Apple introduced content blocking 4 versions ago implemented nearly the same way. No one would accuse Apple of trying to help Google make more money.

Every application has privacy implications, and it isn't difficult to manage this one. Having a giant warning around installing extensions with this level of access would be a good way to protect people while also allowing them to make their own decisions.

You don't see any hazard to showing a giant warning to people when they install something that almost everyone should use? If people see a big warning when they install a legitimate ad blocker, people will start ignoring the warnings.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by cortesoft » Thu, May 30, 2019, 3:01 AM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #363

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If google moves forward with this we should all start randomly clicking on ads until advertisers start to realize that they're basically throwing their money away on advertising that doesn't work :) Let's hit 'em where it hurts.

There are people who click on random ads professionally, and Google has been fighting them for a long time. Whatever equilibrium has been reached is probably stable. The best thing to do is block ads and to do our best to stay off the grid - the only thing that no statistician can work with is the absence of data.

They can absolutely work with the absence of data, because you are still doing other things around the web that generates data. They will see you doing other interactions but not ad requests, and they can figure things out from that.