IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers • Hacker News Board

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by zeroDivisible » Thu, May 30, 2019, 1:01 AM UTC

icedchocolate wrote: post #2

The consequences of installing spyware on your devices and trying to spy on the US.

I'm not sure how to take your comment. Are you implying that spying on other countries is ok? Or that US has so much control that it should not be messed with?

Both are bad, right?

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by cyphar » Thu, May 30, 2019, 1:03 AM UTC

icedchocolate wrote: post #2

The consequences of installing spyware on your devices and trying to spy on the US.

The US spies on the entire world and does the exact same thing (except on a much larger scale). 2013 wasn't that long ago, surely people haven't forgotten the Snowden revelations.

Not to mention there is no public evidence of Huawei doing this -- but we have mountains of evidence of the NSA doing it! Hell, the NSA actually hacked into Huawei's internal infrastructure before[1].

[1]: https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/23/latest-snowden-allegations...

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by rustacean » Thu, May 30, 2019, 1:03 AM UTC

icedchocolate wrote: post #2

The consequences of installing spyware on your devices and trying to spy on the US.

stop trolling without any evidence.

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by cyphar » Thu, May 30, 2019, 1:05 AM UTC

deelowe wrote: post #8

sn41 wrote: post #5

I think this is going overboard. Even during the peak of the Cold War, I don't think that reviews by Soviet scientists was banned. Whatever the political differences may be, I think that the process of science should not be blocked unless there are issues of scientific misconduct.

> issues of scientific misconduct Isn't this the implication?

No, it's because of the US sanctions against Huawei which are unrelated to any scientific misconduct (instead they are because of accusations of other kinds of misconduct). It's still incredibly hypocritical that the US is making this argument given that we all know what the NSA does.

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by gHosts » Thu, May 30, 2019, 1:06 AM UTC

qhwustl wrote: post #3

I am waiting to see if the academia can really be bullied like this....

...easily.

Their funding has been cut to within an inch of their lives....

Promise 'em pizza and they'll ban the UK too.

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by sigmar » Thu, May 30, 2019, 1:08 AM UTC

sn41 wrote: post #5

I think this is going overboard. Even during the peak of the Cold War, I don't think that reviews by Soviet scientists was banned. Whatever the political differences may be, I think that the process of science should not be blocked unless there are issues of scientific misconduct.

>Specifically, IEEE says they “cannot receive or access materials submitted by other persons until after IEE has accepted the material for publication.” At that point, Huawei scientists “may act as editor or peer reviewer for that material.”

Huawei employees can peer review, just only after it is selected for publication. Considering the "severe legal implications" mentioned, perhaps there is a NDA agreement that IEEE's lawyers determined would run afoul of the sanctions?

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by hurrdurr2 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 1:30 AM UTC

icedchocolate wrote: post #2

The consequences of installing spyware on your devices and trying to spy on the US.

Seriously? How many backdoors has the CIA/NSA put in place? Did you forget all of the stuff Snowden leaked?

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by ggm » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:36 AM UTC

This is a collossal mis-step. IEEE need to withdraw and reframe on this.

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by qhwustl » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:40 AM UTC

gHosts wrote: post #15

qhwustl wrote: post #3

I am waiting to see if the academia can really be bullied like this....

...easily. Their funding has been cut to within an inch of their lives.... Promise 'em pizza and they'll ban the UK too.

I am wondering what could be a solution to this... maybe something like "a united nation for academics" for advancing the knowledge of humanity together without blatant political interferences from single/few countries? ...by an international treaty and a special international tax system to support the existence of that kind of academic entity?

Re: IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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Post by romeo1978 » Fri, May 31, 2019, 12:56 AM UTC

It proves that companies in the United States, including these international organizations without borders, can be controlled by the US government; on the contrary, the US government is nonsense, saying that Huawei is controlled by the Chinese government and there is no evidence.