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Observing private homes can help select your targets. By observing the inside of the home you may learn if the owner has access to secrets (national security or commercial), what kind and what level. From where you can switch to traditional methods. My 2c.
It gives you the layout of homes, it doesn't allow you to observe their occupants. It is a spinning laser.
U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones
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#72Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know how old you were at the time of 9/11 - but there were loud, public voices in the Intelligence Community telling everyone that the WMD situation was fabricated. To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. To claim these two situations are the…
> To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. Just "Cheney" and NYT, and CNN, and the entire establishment, sans some voices. Besides the trillion dollar war efforts went on anyway (also against Afghanistan, a below third world country that has almost no…
That's just a blatant, and easily disproved re-write of history. You can rag on CNN all you want for trying to give both sides of the story an opportunity to present their case, but they absolutely voiced concerns about whether or not there were actually WMDs.
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/12/23/sproject.irq.w...
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has nothing to do with convincing the general public. The US is struggling to convince their own allies that the threat is real, and definitely haven't convinced the technical community they need to stop buying e.g. Huawei hardware. > The existence of the threat is already well publicized. Parroting the same vague "there's a threat, but the threat is secret so we cannot tell you about it" isn't well publishing a…
You don't need a whitepaper to say "Any device with over-the-air updates (or server-side processing) controlled by a Chinese company can receive anytime new software (thus a payload) controlled by the Chinese intelligence services". This is what's implied.
But if the US actually took that threat seriously, half of the Valley would be out of a job tomorrow.
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#75Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
Though it's more jingoistic, I find the latter less infantilizing, when it's coupled with a guarded paranoia about the US too.
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The trade war won't fix issues with OTA as a vulnerability. It is useful for the US to point it out to tip things in their favor so it gets a lot of coverage. I also agree with you that the solution to OTA updates is tight control, but that isn't realistic either. They are talking about drones in the article. These are devices bought and run by companies that build infrastructure in the US but are not directly relate…
>Intel ME is an abomination, but it's also well known and gets a lot of coverage. It's just not in the mainstream news right this minute. It was probably only a topic on technical forums. Technical question, can't you build a drone that does not need OTA updates from manufacturer ? You have it connect only to your trusted IPs. Also sending the high definition photos to China won't appear on anybody network traffic? Y…
Of course you can, but even then you're still trusting the firmware that is being put out by the potentially hostile company even if you gate keep it. To check it would require a software team at least as large as the potentially hostile one for any serious attack. That's a big economic incentive to trust the manufacturer.
>sending the high definition photos
Or you could just send metadata, telemetry, and flight diagnostics that can be used to build up sensitive information under the guise of metrics. Remember that the NSA was mostly just using metadata too.
>it was blamed as a bug and not espionage
In these cases, the two look exactly the same in software, so proving one or the other is very difficult.
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#78It's really not that different from the FUD about Kaspersky [1] or the still-ongoing saga of Huawei. In the past, such capability had to be deliberately planted at great effort, while these days we buy it voluntarily and spread it in our homes and businesses, fly them above our cities, and put them in networking closets to sit in the middle of all of our communication.
Sure it's FUD, but it's the government and military coming to terms with the implications of what just happened, and trying to shape the future to lessen a risk. This is orthogonal to whether they want the exact same capability for friendly-made goods, or whether there's any industry of comparable domestic goods left. Other countries, when they have a spare moment after dealing with domestic needs, are also well within their rights to feel the same kind of unease about Cisco, Juniper, Intel... hell, Tesla? Have you seen the number of cameras on that thing, and the fact that it can drive on its own?
This is the evolution of 'loose lips sink ships', where the capability of people to spread information has multiplied, but soon people won't even be necessary for information to be disclosed. Their consumer goods will do it for them.
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#79Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
I wonder if public discourse and pop culture in the US will switch from paranoia as a bad or laughable thing ( tinfoil hats! area 51! ) to paranoia as a civic duty (to some degree, as in WWII and the Cold War). Though it's more jingoistic, I find the latter less infantilizing, when it's coupled with a guarded paranoia about the US too.
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#80"We're not being paranoid" No, but the amount of suggestive "Might" "Could" etc titles/articles now out there shows a whole other picture. China is now the new enemy. And everybody must know apparently. Even respectable news outlets can't resist the temptation of completely unfounded copying of the American media machine. I'm not stating China is so innocent, but sorry there is only one country in the world systemati…
*and Germany. Don’t forget, every U.S. (and Saudi) Abrams tank has a Rheinmetall cannon.
https://spiegel.de/international/germany/german-intelligence...
https://www.thelocal.de/20190311/germany-fourth-largest-expo...
https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/germany-e...