Isn't this the US's fault for letting manufacturing move to China in the 1980-present? Any large global migration of industry will have this same threat eventually.
U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the specific concern is that all new tech ships with OTA update capability. Infrastructure should probably never have this in the first place for a variety of reasons, but it does and it will because the of huge cost savings it can enable. When the Chinese government can tightly control the companies under it, and those companies control the OTA update, then nothing produced by those companies can ever be consi…
>> The same could absolutely be said about US made products being used in countries that the USA is adversarial against Such as, itself.
Well of course. Every country has at some point been hostile to it's own citizens or some segment of it's population. It's something that the citizenry need to push back on and keep the government in check. But by and large, the US is no where near as adversarial to it's citizens, companies, or infrastructure as China.
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#33Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
> Just publish technical information. It isn't hard. It would do huge damage to the Chinese and reinforce the US's whole argument. I doubt that it would damage China. The existence of the threat is already well publicized. I think that U.S. intelligence does not talk about specific threats because the attack vectors would probably misunderstood and underestimated by the general public. There would inevitably be pushb…
> I think that U.S. intelligence does not talk about specific threats because the attack vectors would probably misunderstood and underestimated by the general public.
I doubt intelligence agencies care about convincing public one way or another. I suspect they are worried about revealing details of their methods and thus have a blanket "say nothing" default mindset.
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#34Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
>These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home").
Isn't that the purpose? To fuel the trade tensions for the home team.
Don't expect truth in trade wars...
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.
We're talking national security. I hope nobody is running a Xiaomi robot vacuum at a sensitive or classified site, or any other brand of robot vacuum for that matter... There's a difference between individual invasions of privacy and national security. There's definitely Chinese apps that invade your privacy. There's also Western apps that do too. The question is of national security however.
There is a difference, and individual privacy is more important.
"National security" is a vague term that is always abused to make money, take away liberties or kill people.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.
We're talking national security. I hope nobody is running a Xiaomi robot vacuum at a sensitive or classified site, or any other brand of robot vacuum for that matter... There's a difference between individual invasions of privacy and national security. There's definitely Chinese apps that invade your privacy. There's also Western apps that do too. The question is of national security however.
> I hope nobody is running a Xiaomi robot vacuum at a sensitive or classified site, or any other brand of robot vacuum for that matter...
Remember when Strava's heatmap of running tracks leaked information about military bases? https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/957318498102865920
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#37It seems like they're just saying: - China makes most of the drones - A lot of them aren't very secure Which isn't surprising to me considering the state of things like DVR cameras (also mostly made by China, also plagued with security issues) and similar tech. The real problem is that consumers want cheap but quality and security aren't cheap. The cost of security isn't obvious and consumers don't really know how to…
> start communicating over the 5G backbone
5G operates at OSI layer 1 (and maybe has some impact on layer 2). I've never heard of any aspect of it changing higher layers, which is where the concerns about control come in. Is there something I'm missing?
If not, 5G has nothing to do with application-level control (eg: controlling a drone's movements, intercepting a camera feed, etc). We'll still use TCP/IP, HTTPS, and everything else we use today. It may or may not be a concern right now (due to inadequate security at the higher OSI layers), but 5G -- or any other type of network topology -- does not change this. Please don't spread this type of psuedo-technical nonsense by making statements like this, especially with anything "5G" which is a current media fascination for some reason (starting to get bored with "IoT" maybe?).
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#38"I'm not being paranoid", said every paranoid ever
The fact you are paranoid does not mean they are not after you.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, that's similar to how we can't let Saddam know that we know where his giant WMD factories and storage facilities are, so you just have to take our word for it...
I don't know how old you were at the time of 9/11 - but there were loud, public voices in the Intelligence Community telling everyone that the WMD situation was fabricated. To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. To claim these two situations are the…
>To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq.
Just "Cheney" and NYT, and CNN, and the entire establishment, sans some voices. Besides the trillion dollar war efforts went on anyway (also against Afghanistan, a below third world country that has almost nothing to do with the, probably Saudi-funded attack).
>To claim these two situations are the same is a very, very large stretch.
Sure, they're not the same, today things are far worse.
Due to the declining status of the US globally, the fabrications, psy-ops, and "trust us" propaganda has sky-rocketed.
Watching the mainstream news and the silent compliance of all sides on the bogus narratives is like participating in an alternate reality universe (and that's before we even get to the fake news)...
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#40The solution to this problem are laws that require devices like this to support self-hosted servers for OTA, data, or anything else. You should not be required to use a vendor’s services AND the vendor should not be allowed to implement permanent back-doors.
The problem, of course, is that runs afoul of US espionage and law enforcement demands that they have access to such data themselves.
They want it both ways in a world where you literally, cannot have it both ways. US cyber policy on this front has been a disaster.