Why not resolve the 737 MAX issues first, if we are worried about flying things causing damage?
This is not even the same Department. A government can and should have multiple simultaneous priorities.
Same branch, but no coordination, right?
U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones
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#12It seems like they're just saying:
- China makes most of the drones
- A lot of them aren't very secure
Which isn't surprising to me considering the state of things like DVR cameras (also mostly made by China, also plagued with security issues) and similar tech.
The real problem is that consumers want cheap but quality and security aren't cheap. The cost of security isn't obvious and consumers don't really know how to evaluate it.
But, when things like drones and cameras start communicating over the 5G backbone then we should maybe be concerned about who controls both of them.
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#13Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.
Sources?
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#14Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
Let's assume that they're encrypting the payload before sending it back home and we've broken their encryption techniques.
You don't think it would do a lot of harm to publish detailed analyses letting them know we've broken their encryption?
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#15"I'm not being paranoid", said every paranoid ever
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#16Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
Well, the specific concern is that all new tech ships with OTA update capability. Infrastructure should probably never have this in the first place for a variety of reasons, but it does and it will because the of huge cost savings it can enable. When the Chinese government can tightly control the companies under it, and those companies control the OTA update, then nothing produced by those companies can ever be considered safe so longer as China is considered adversarial. The same could absolutely be said about US made products being used in countries that the USA is adversarial against, and that's likely how the USA government started thinking about it.
"Hey, what's a great way to deal with China if we go to war? Whataminute, they could do that to US!"
Just look at the havoc that has happened unintentionally due to bad updates being pushed out on a large scale and extrapolate to what could happen with a malicious actor at full control.
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#17Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.
I saw a lot of concern about sending data to servers in a specific location such as CN. However, there is no such thing as Custom for Data. So, I think sending data to either CN or any other place is not much different.
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#18Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…
There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.
We're talking national security. I hope nobody is running a Xiaomi robot vacuum at a sensitive or classified site, or any other brand of robot vacuum for that matter...
There's a difference between individual invasions of privacy and national security. There's definitely Chinese apps that invade your privacy. There's also Western apps that do too. The question is of national security however.
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There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.
I saw a lot of concern about sending data to servers in a specific location such as CN. However, there is no such thing as Custom for Data. So, I think sending data to either CN or any other place is not much different.
Data is subject to export restrictions and customs same as anything else. Some countries even mandate where and how data must be stored.
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This is not even the same Department. A government can and should have multiple simultaneous priorities.
A government also can and should prioritize amongst multiple simultaneous priorities.
They do. That's why governments have different departments (DHS and DOT in this case) and associated, prioritized budgets.