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Police in Canada Are Tracking People’s ‘Negative’ Behavior in a ‘Risk’ Database

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Post by liability »

DanBC wrote: post #115
avar wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm commenting on this type of interaction with the police in general. No, police aren't all out to get you. But you'd be dumb even in Iceland not to have some basic situational awareness and consider how that interaction started out. You didn't come to them on the street, they sought you out at your home. So if the police knock on your door open up and talk to them there. If they just want to talk you you they'll be…

They're talking about your mental health and the intelligence they have -- they want to talk inside your home so your neighbours don't get to listen in.

My neighbors live 200 yards away, they won't hear anything.

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Post by EastSmith »

mattlondon wrote: post #76
emptybits wrote: post #4

FTA: The Ontario Provincial Police say, “We can knock on someone’s door and say, ‘We’re so worried about you, can we come in and chat?’” Yikes. I understand the positive spin is the police care about the wellbeing of at-risk people with these visits. But wouldn't it also be true that anything and everything the police observe and believe as a result of such a visit could also be used against the resident or others in…

What I find weird about all of this is that people actually answer their door to unexpected & unknown visitors?! Do you also answer your phone to unexpected & unknown callers?! My rule of thumb built up over years of annoyance & bullshit is: if you don't know who it is, or aren't expecting anything, ignore it; 99.9% of the time someone unexpected/unknown on the phone or at your door are just going to be wasting your…

I almost always pick up, because FOMO, but I very often end the call in the middle of the sentence of the caller, once I know it is something I am not interested in.

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Post by gambiting »

dao- wrote: post #111
gambiting wrote: post #99

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I mean, I didn't give Polish police as a random example without ever being to Poland you know. I'm Polish and based on my several interactions with the police I wouldn't hesitate at all. I would definitely describe them as friends and they do generally want to help.

Are you a person of color? Do you have piercings, pink hair, stuff like that? Maybe you shouldn't generalize solely based on your personal experience?

Where did I generalize??

"I would have zero problem". "Based on my interactions". "I would describe them".

That's the phrasing I used, very specifically and on purpose in fact. Is that a problem?

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Post by liability »

sgift wrote: post #80
munmaek wrote: post #58

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the US and everything to do with an asymmetric relationship. The police have immense power, you do not. What do you have to gain from interacting with the police? Now, compare this to what you stand to lose by interacting with the police. The rule is simple: don't interact with the police. They are not your friends, anything you do or say can and will be used against you at a wh…

> What do you have to gain from interacting with the police? Now, compare this to what you stand to lose by interacting with the police. The job of the police is to help me. To do that effectively they have to sometimes talk to me. It is therefore in my interest to talk to them.

The job of the police is to collect "unscheduled road taxes" and to document crimes for the local prosecutor. If they end up helping somebody in the process, that is incidental.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...

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Post by thrower123 »

EastSmith wrote: post #142
mattlondon wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find weird about all of this is that people actually answer their door to unexpected & unknown visitors?! Do you also answer your phone to unexpected & unknown callers?! My rule of thumb built up over years of annoyance & bullshit is: if you don't know who it is, or aren't expecting anything, ignore it; 99.9% of the time someone unexpected/unknown on the phone or at your door are just going to be wasting your…

I almost always pick up, because FOMO, but I very often end the call in the middle of the sentence of the caller, once I know it is something I am not interested in.

Hi, we have a very important message about your vehicle's extended power-train warran----click

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Post by DanBC »

laumars wrote: post #138
tempguy9999 wrote: post #129

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> Your suicidal point is a separate topic though. That's a mental illness rather than an action someone chooses or is lead into. What are you saying, and what do you think should happen if someone is suicidal? Please think very carefully before answering. Edit: have you any experience with desire for suicide, or any experience with anyone you know well who wanted to, or succeeded in suicide?

> What are you saying Literally all I'm saying is suicide is a separate topic because it's a mental illness rather than an action someone chooses or is lead into. > what do you think should happen if someone is suicidal? I don't really want to get into an off topic discussion about mental health which is why I didn't go into more detail in my previous post. However if you want more information about mental health the…

I agree with what you're saying.

This point, however, is wrong. I don't think it being wrong changes your argument at all.

> suicide is a [...] a mental illness rather than an action someone chooses or is lead into.

Lots of people who die by suicide do not have a history of mental illness and would not meet a definition of "mentally ill" at the time of their death. They die because of rapid onset despair rather than mental illness. They are "capacitous" - they know what they're doing and why they're doing it and they know the consequences and they've made the choice.

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Post by EastSmith »

thrower123 wrote: post #145
EastSmith wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost always pick up, because FOMO, but I very often end the call in the middle of the sentence of the caller, once I know it is something I am not interested in.

Hi, we have a very important message about your vehicle's extended power-train warran---- click

It might look rude, but the call spammers are counting on me being polite and listen to their offer.

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Post by foldr »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #73
3pt14159 wrote: post #51

People here are overreacting. First, Vice is an unreliable news organization with seriously substantiated claims that one of its founders has backed white supremacists, including Proud Boys. It's also been involved in international drug smuggling. And inflating its advertising numbers by an order of magnitude. Second, the police in Canada are some of the finest in the world. There are problem spots that I've seen wit…

>> It's also been involved in international drug smuggling. This person is probably mentioning the arrest of a Vice music site editor on cocaine smuggling (as you can see, parent's take on this is very different from reality): https://www.spin.com/2019/02/vice-editor-slava-p-arrested-co... Makes me question everything else you are commenting here on.

There's some truth to the rest of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes

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Post by sjy »

coldtea wrote: post #81
msla wrote: post #71

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The Three Felonies A Day is an example of politics, not research, and has some rather motivated reasoning: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/22530/does-the-... I'm on your side. Please don't make our shared side weaker by using poor arguments.

> The Three Felonies A Day is an example of politics, not research, and has some rather motivated reasoning: A "sceptics" link is hardly refutation. These sites attract professional "minor detail pickers" and "technically-correct" pedants, who more often than not miss the forest for the trees. The message is not the exact number of felonies per time period, it's that people can have all kind of laws broken and given…

Well, did you read the link? The top answer puts forward a convincing case that the book fails to show that "people can have all kind of laws broken and given causes to be arrested without them knowing it." There are wrongful charges and convictions in every legal system, and contrary to the last sentence of your comment, it matters a lot whether these occur 1,000 times more or less frequently.

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Post by apexalpha »

mattlondon wrote: post #76
emptybits wrote: post #4

FTA: The Ontario Provincial Police say, “We can knock on someone’s door and say, ‘We’re so worried about you, can we come in and chat?’” Yikes. I understand the positive spin is the police care about the wellbeing of at-risk people with these visits. But wouldn't it also be true that anything and everything the police observe and believe as a result of such a visit could also be used against the resident or others in…

What I find weird about all of this is that people actually answer their door to unexpected & unknown visitors?! Do you also answer your phone to unexpected & unknown callers?! My rule of thumb built up over years of annoyance & bullshit is: if you don't know who it is, or aren't expecting anything, ignore it; 99.9% of the time someone unexpected/unknown on the phone or at your door are just going to be wasting your…

>What I find weird about all of this is that people actually answer their door to unexpected & unknown visitors?! Do you also answer your phone to unexpected & unknown callers?!

Wtf? Yes of course I do. Do you not have a doorbell?

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