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Police in Canada Are Tracking People’s ‘Negative’ Behavior in a ‘Risk’ Database

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Re: Police in Canada Are Tracking People’s ‘Negative’ Behavior in a ‘Risk’ Database

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Post by mcv »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #22
mgiannopoulos wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The police are not your friends.” In some countries outside the US, they are. https://www.oapen.org/download?type=document&docid=634763

In many more countries outside the US, they are not.

True, and that should prompt any country to look around, compare results, and make decisions on what they want to be like.

In my opinion, a police that's feared rather than trusted, is a sign of a police state or totalitarian regime. If that's not what the country wants to be, then it's a problem that needs to be fixed.

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Post by arcticbull »

mcv wrote: post #34
goodcanadian wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are generally free to decline to talk to the police. You definitely do not have to invite them into your home. Your rights around police interaction are very similar to those in the US.

At the same time, I would hope that Canadian police is a bit more trustworthy and trusted than US police. I certainly wouldn't want that kind of visit from police officers whose primary concern is to find a reason to arrest or shoot you, but if police is honestly trying to help and prevent problems, it's an entirely different matter. Police culture, policy and accountability matters a lot in a case like this.

They are about 6X less likely to kill you so that helps! [1]

[1] https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/why-canadian-police-are...

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Post by Causality1 »

mcv wrote: post #34
goodcanadian wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are generally free to decline to talk to the police. You definitely do not have to invite them into your home. Your rights around police interaction are very similar to those in the US.

At the same time, I would hope that Canadian police is a bit more trustworthy and trusted than US police. I certainly wouldn't want that kind of visit from police officers whose primary concern is to find a reason to arrest or shoot you, but if police is honestly trying to help and prevent problems, it's an entirely different matter. Police culture, policy and accountability matters a lot in a case like this.

Canadian police have their fair share of psychopathic bullies and systemic racist murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/03/30/football_player_...

https://globalnews.ca/news/1608030/new-video-shows-another-c...

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/07/30/toronto_cop_ch...

Re: Police in Canada Are Tracking People’s ‘Negative’ Behavior in a ‘Risk’ Database

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Post by mcv »

Causality1 wrote: post #43
mcv wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the same time, I would hope that Canadian police is a bit more trustworthy and trusted than US police. I certainly wouldn't want that kind of visit from police officers whose primary concern is to find a reason to arrest or shoot you, but if police is honestly trying to help and prevent problems, it's an entirely different matter. Police culture, policy and accountability matters a lot in a case like this.

Canadian police have their fair share of psychopathic bullies and systemic racist murder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/03/30/football_player_... https://globalnews.ca/news/1608030/new-video-shows-another-c... https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/07/30/toronto_cop_ch...

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good, though. There will always be something wrong. The point is to address it and reduce how often it goes wrong.

I'm not denying these incidents are terrible; they are. And even if you do address them and punish the perpetrators, you'll still occasionally have police officers that do the wrong thing. But that doesn't mean it's pointless to hold police accountable, or to train them better.

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Post by avar »

sgift wrote: post #31
avar wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having grown up in Iceland where the police don't even carry guns I'd be very suspicious of this specific interaction. I wouldn't hesitate to talk to a police officer on the street, or chat with them if I was routinely detained at a traffic stop or whatever. But in this scenario the police are unprompted at your door and their first ask is to come into your house. If the police just want to talk to you because they'r…

> But in this scenario the police are unprompted at your door and their first ask is to come into your house. If the police just want to talk to you because they're concerned about you personally they'll just ask to talk to you in a place they wouldn't otherwise need a search warrant signed by a judge to enter. "Their first ask is to come into your house" is based on a quote Vice took out of context (and then blew up…

I'm commenting on this type of interaction with the police in general.

No, police aren't all out to get you. But you'd be dumb even in Iceland not to have some basic situational awareness and consider how that interaction started out. You didn't come to them on the street, they sought you out at your home.

So if the police knock on your door open up and talk to them there. If they just want to talk you you they'll be happy to do that there. If they seem more interested in going inside your house than having a chat with you at the door perhaps they're really there for something else.

Hedging against that by doing something that costs you maybe 5 seconds ("let's just chat here") is just common sense.

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Post by gosseyn »

Most comments are about the negatives ...but I wonder ...the data is here ...we have the technology to make use of it ... AI alone cant be "trusted" ( as it's still primitive ) humans alone cant be trusted ( as abuse of power and not objective ) there must be a way ? An in between ? I don't have much knowledge about the subject but I'm genuinely curious !

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Post by [deleted] »

sgift wrote: post #18
taneq wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, without some pretty strong new protections in place there is absolutely no upside and likely a significant downside to letting them in. The police are not your friends.

This post and the article have the same problem: Thinking the way police works/seems to work in the US (always out to get you) is universal to the world while it is the exception. Police in other countries usually works out of a desire to help.

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Post by Super_Jambo »

sgift wrote: post #31
avar wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having grown up in Iceland where the police don't even carry guns I'd be very suspicious of this specific interaction. I wouldn't hesitate to talk to a police officer on the street, or chat with them if I was routinely detained at a traffic stop or whatever. But in this scenario the police are unprompted at your door and their first ask is to come into your house. If the police just want to talk to you because they'r…

> But in this scenario the police are unprompted at your door and their first ask is to come into your house. If the police just want to talk to you because they're concerned about you personally they'll just ask to talk to you in a place they wouldn't otherwise need a search warrant signed by a judge to enter. "Their first ask is to come into your house" is based on a quote Vice took out of context (and then blew up…

An unknown Police Office is in a super position of nice and law abiding or corrupt and malicious. If there's no real downside in assuming they are corrupt, you're much safer behaving as if they are.

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Post by jacquesm »

sgift wrote: post #18
taneq wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, without some pretty strong new protections in place there is absolutely no upside and likely a significant downside to letting them in. The police are not your friends.

This post and the article have the same problem: Thinking the way police works/seems to work in the US (always out to get you) is universal to the world while it is the exception. Police in other countries usually works out of a desire to help.

In rural Canada, if you're black or have prior interaction with them the police might as well be US police. If you're white and in good standing the police is super friendly. RCMP is the only force in Canada that I would consider to be professional.

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Post by jammygit »

“Information about people believed to be “at risk” of becoming criminals or victims of harm is shared between civilian agencies and police and is added to the database when a person is being evaluated for a rapid intervention intended to lower their risk levels.”

Remind anybody else of precrime from minority report?

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