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A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

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Re: A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

#21
they do occasional controlled burns in Eastern Alabama and the acrid smoke smell can saturate North West Atlanta and further North.

Nice little PDF from forestry service about Southern Burns https://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs/rmrs_gtr292/1989_wade.pdf

Re: A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

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Were we in 1819, then I would agree. Unfortunately, we're in 2019, and it's already happened. You're stuck with homogenous forests.

This is incorrect. There are still old-growth forests, such as the Amazon, but they're still being clear-cut. It's very, very simple: stop doing that. No, we can't easily get back the old-growth forests in the US, as that ship has sailed, but there's more to the planet than the US, and we can stop causing even more damage. But we don't want to.

Brazil isn't going to stop so do we invade a sovereign nation to get them to stop in order to benefit the world?

Re: A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

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post #16
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were we in 1819, then I would agree. Unfortunately, we're in 2019, and it's already happened. You're stuck with homogenous forests.

This is incorrect. There are still old-growth forests, such as the Amazon, but they're still being clear-cut. It's very, very simple: stop doing that. No, we can't easily get back the old-growth forests in the US, as that ship has sailed, but there's more to the planet than the US, and we can stop causing even more damage. But we don't want to.

There are also old-growth forests in the United States. Many in the Upper Midwest, are in areas not on maps in 1800s due to cartographic errors. Another, Cathedral Pines in Wisconsin was not logged at the request of the timber company manager's wife, so she could continue her prayer group in the forest. List of old-growth forests in the US that need continued protection not only from timber harvests but from disease, fire, and pests:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_old-growth_forests

Re: A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incorrect. There are still old-growth forests, such as the Amazon, but they're still being clear-cut. It's very, very simple: stop doing that. No, we can't easily get back the old-growth forests in the US, as that ship has sailed, but there's more to the planet than the US, and we can stop causing even more damage. But we don't want to.

Brazil isn't going to stop so do we invade a sovereign nation to get them to stop in order to benefit the world?

If you ranked all wars humanity has fought from most justified to least, I expect your proposed war would be rather near the top.

Re: A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

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Forests that have been clear cut have a different structure from old forests and burn very differently. Most California fires were of the former kind. In “Young” forests grown in the place of clear cut “old forests”, the shrubbery grows before the trees and is very thick. The trees are not that high and the branches are close to the ground. These forests get completely annihilated by fire. Old forests have tall trees…

It sounds to me like there's a very simple solution to this problem: just don't clear-cut forests. Of course, as usual with stupid humans, when there's a very simple solution to a problem, they absolutely refuse to do it, usually because some selfish person is benefiting from the action that's causing the problem, and countless other people are perfectly happy to enable that person.

Clear-cuts can be used to mimic natural disturbance. Specifically, patch cuts (a small clear cut), can increase biological diversity, reduce fire risk, and increase forest resiliency. Certain species, such as Douglas Fir, do best if the intention is to regrow Douglas Fir with clear-cuts (common western commercial forestry practice). Also, a selection harvest in a Douglas Fir stand would favor shade tolerant species such as fir, hemlock, and spruce. Accordingly, certain choices need to be made addressing a variety of economic and ecological considerations.

Re: A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

#26
Http://firesmoke.ca is a website I am unfortunately visiting already this year.

on top of destroying people's homes and lives, what used to be the best couple months of summer are pretty much ruined for any type of outdoor activity from Mexico to Alaska and la push to Regina.

It is already hazy around vancouver due to the big fires in Alberta. We also had a fire get out of control in early April when the ground is supposed to be super wet still.

Re: A controlled blaze in Utah could improve models of how wildfire smoke spreads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brazil isn't going to stop so do we invade a sovereign nation to get them to stop in order to benefit the world?

If you ranked all wars humanity has fought from most justified to least, I expect your proposed war would be rather near the top.

Oh, I definitely agree. I just don't think anyone else is on board with me. There should be UN forces that help steward our earth from dipshit despots.
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