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Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Post by copperx »

apatheticonion wrote: post #194
josteink wrote: post #189

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> AMD just aren't selling many CPUs to business desktop system integrators, partly due to dubious tactics by Intel to keep them out of the market. If you sell most of your CPUs to enthusiasts, it just doesn't make sense to squander die area on a crappy iGPU. I'm a developer, and I want fast build times. I don't need a dedicated GPU for that. Right now I'm squandering money and power on a dedicated GPU which is probab…

My terminal window has a background blur effect and I like my desktop switching animations to maintain 144fps. Implying devs don't use dedicated graphics cards...

What desktop environment do you use that has buttery smooth 144fps animations? Gnome certainly isn't smooth.

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Post by tracker1 »

burtonator wrote: post #41

Man.. Loving this. Going to get the Ryzen 9 I think. My current machine is an 8 core i7 At 3.6Ghz and boost to 4. Having 12 cores without the hyperthreading issues with intel and boost to 4.6 is going to rock.

i7-4790K myself, going to hold out a couple months longer to see if they get the 16core r9, or a new Threadripper out.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Post by copperx »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #213
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #141

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$39: https://www.newegg.com/visiontek-radeon-5450-900860/p/N82E16... Hardly the latest technology but you can plug a monitor into it.

No DisplayPort and it almost certainly doesn’t support 4k at 60Hz, both of which the Intel chipset supports and both of which I’d consider essential for high-end productivity use these days.

I still don't get how people are making use of 4k outside MacOS. Windows and Linux Desktop environments require tons of massaging to get scaling right, even with flagship software (some Adobe programs don't scale properly).

Here we are, 8 years after Apple started shipping "Retina" displays, and PC software hasn't caught up. It's embarrassing.

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Post by tracker1 »

loeg wrote: post #246
jaimeyap wrote: post #226

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Nice. What build times are you seeing for clean builds of the rust toolchain itself? Curious to benchmark against my 2700x. I'd imagine near linear scaling with the core count. I think the 3900x might be a happy middle ground. I'm guessing we would probably see (with the increased IPC, core count, and core clock) like 70-80% increases over a 2700x in these kinds of multithreaded workloads. So probably slightly more t…

3900x looks fantastic on paper. In general, if the Ryzen stuff is sufficient for your needs, it's a better value. You pay a big premium for the Threadripper boards (and big case and big cooling solution). So in that sense, the 3900x is definitely in a sweet spot at the top of the Ryzen range. Tradeoffs: threadripper boards officially support ECC; Ryzen boards are hit or miss. TR boards tend to be priced around $300 w…

The 570 boards are going to be around $100-200 more expensive though. The PCB is a bit different and the specifications are more tight for PCIe 4. I think the cheapest board you'll see soon will be above $150 at the very low end all the way up to $600 or so. Many of the prior two gens will have issues running the newer CPUs and the board vendors are recommending against Zen2 on chipset boards prior to 570

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Post by tracker1 »

DuskStar wrote: post #23
loser777 wrote: post #12

Biggest surprise seems to be the 65W 8/16 3700X. Hopefully that means a bit of overclocking headroom.

Considering that the 105W 8/16 3800X only gains 300MHz base and 100MHz turbo for the extra 40W, I'm not sure that's the case. Still almost certainly what I'll be replacing my 4790k with though

Going to wait a couple more months to see if 16c 39xx shows up, or a new Threadripper... also on a 4790k.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Post by tracker1 »

IlegCowcat wrote: post #218

My guess: standing by for a last 2019 or 2020 refresh. AMD simply doesn't have to play their full hand right now to be competitive. Going to 16 core on AM4 looks to be trivial on paper since they're already doing 12 core: just a matter of clock speeds and core voltage to make it happen inside of AM4 parameters.

My guess is their chiplets may have defective cores that are being disabled, and they aren't getting high enough yeilds on 8-core chiplets to release a 16c pair CPU yet.

I doubt they'd hold back on offering a significant bump over Intel's current offering with a 16c/32t mainstream cpu.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Post by josteink »

copperx wrote: post #331
apatheticonion wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My terminal window has a background blur effect and I like my desktop switching animations to maintain 144fps. Implying devs don't use dedicated graphics cards...

What desktop environment do you use that has buttery smooth 144fps animations? Gnome certainly isn't smooth.

And who can read a terminal at 144fps anyway? I seriously couldn't care less about eye-candy, animations and fps.

Then again, I'm an i3/sway-user, so I guess I don't exactly represent the average (Linux) user.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Post by CoolGuySteve »

copperx wrote: post #333
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #213

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No DisplayPort and it almost certainly doesn’t support 4k at 60Hz, both of which the Intel chipset supports and both of which I’d consider essential for high-end productivity use these days.

I still don't get how people are making use of 4k outside MacOS. Windows and Linux Desktop environments require tons of massaging to get scaling right, even with flagship software (some Adobe programs don't scale properly). Here we are, 8 years after Apple started shipping "Retina" displays, and PC software hasn't caught up. It's embarrassing.

I use Ubuntu on a 13" 4k laptop with 2x scaling and I've never had any issues.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Post by vbezhenar »

the_why_of_y wrote: post #307
vbezhenar wrote: post #248

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9... this page compares 9900K and 2700X. 9900K should work at 4700 MHz with all cores loaded. 2700x should work at 4300 MHz. So the difference is roughly 10%. And Intel in most benchmarks scores more than 10%.

Those benchmarks were done 3 or 4 Meltdown microcode mitigations ago... the problem with Intel CPUs is, they become slower the longer they're exposed to security researchers.

Not everybody uses those mitigations.

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Post by cfcosta »

josteink wrote: post #337
copperx wrote: post #331

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What desktop environment do you use that has buttery smooth 144fps animations? Gnome certainly isn't smooth.

And who can read a terminal at 144fps anyway? I seriously couldn't care less about eye-candy, animations and fps. Then again, I'm an i3/sway-user, so I guess I don't exactly represent the average (Linux) user.

No need for animations or anything like that, 144hz also means less input lag and tearing.
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