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Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

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Post by freedomben »

bscphil wrote: post #139
dual_basis wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "free-as-in-speech" mean in the context of software? A strict interpretation would suggest something along the lines of "we don't censor what the customers of our software do with it", which is true for almost all software (aside from social media platforms). I don't see how this would apply here, since this software isn't being used for the creation of anything. A looser interpretation would suggest that,…

"free-as-in-speech" is usually intended to contrast with "free-as-in-beer", thereby disambiguating the word "free" in English. Some software is "free-as-in-speech", which means you aren't limited with what you can do with it or its code -- "free" means that the user has certain rights. I think Stallman introduced this way of talking about software; people sometimes use "libre" instead. https://ssd.eff.org/en/glossary…

Yes, this is exactly what I meant with my usage of the word. free-as-in-speech (where you can easily recreate the speech yourself) versus free-as-in-beer (where you can't easily recreate the beer since it is closed source) (at least this is always how I have interpreted the meaning personally).

The most recent example would be FileBot which I bought a subscription for mostly because it is high quality and is free software (as-in-speech). I would have used less functional free (as in speech and beer) alternatives had the filebot source not been available to me.

Filebot homepage: https://www.filebot.net/ Source code: https://github.com/filebot/filebot

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

#142

Post by bscphil »

freedomben wrote: post #141
bscphil wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"free-as-in-speech" is usually intended to contrast with "free-as-in-beer", thereby disambiguating the word "free" in English. Some software is "free-as-in-speech", which means you aren't limited with what you can do with it or its code -- "free" means that the user has certain rights. I think Stallman introduced this way of talking about software; people sometimes use "libre" instead. https://ssd.eff.org/en/glossary…

Yes, this is exactly what I meant with my usage of the word. free-as-in-speech (where you can easily recreate the speech yourself) versus free-as-in-beer (where you can't easily recreate the beer since it is closed source) (at least this is always how I have interpreted the meaning personally). The most recent example would be FileBot which I bought a subscription for mostly because it is high quality and is free sof…

That's an interesting one. I had heard of filebot but don't have any personal use case for it. The license probably qualifies as libre but definitely isn't GPL compatible, for the record: https://github.com/filebot/filebot/blob/master/LICENSE.md

Edit: Actually, it's worth noting that the statement in the README arguably makes filebot non-free. "You may NOT use the source code to publish binary builds without explicit authorization." If that's actually supposed to be enforced by the terms of the license, filebot is definitely not libre software.

On the other hand, it's not clear at all whether this is prohibited by the license. It prohibits "Publishing binaries or competing clones that undermine the ability of the original author to make money from his work." I don't see why publishing a binary for free on a new platform would undermine this in most cases, given that the author already publishes free binaries for most platforms on the official website.

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

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Post by freedomben »

bscphil wrote: post #142
freedomben wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant with my usage of the word. free-as-in-speech (where you can easily recreate the speech yourself) versus free-as-in-beer (where you can't easily recreate the beer since it is closed source) (at least this is always how I have interpreted the meaning personally). The most recent example would be FileBot which I bought a subscription for mostly because it is high quality and is free sof…

That's an interesting one. I had heard of filebot but don't have any personal use case for it. The license probably qualifies as libre but definitely isn't GPL compatible, for the record: https://github.com/filebot/filebot/blob/master/LICENSE.md Edit: Actually, it's worth noting that the statement in the README arguably makes filebot non-free. "You may NOT use the source code to publish binary builds without explicit…

Yeah that's a good point regarding publishing binaries. I would guess that he wants to keep tight quality control (since in the past there were crap binaries being passed around). But yes I don't consider it GPL compatible, but it (was, see below) close enough for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (I try not to let perfect be the enemy of good).

That said I just tried to build it for the first time (wanted to make a small improvement) and there are no documented build steps and a standard ant build doesn't work. There are open github issues where the author is very dismissive and just says basically "code not supported, just for educational purposes."

I poked at it for about 15 minutes but I've never used ant before and couldn't get the build working. That really saddens me. Unless things improve I won't be renewing my subscription. I'm pretty disappointed to say the least.

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

#145

Post by loco5niner »

svnpenn wrote: post #53
yegle wrote: post #23

I don't understand why any privacy conscious person would choose a hosted service instead of self-hosting your own solution. Implementing the whole thing (modulo the anycast IP, which is the only thing I did not use) is easy. I have a docker-compose file which does the whole stack: 1. Unbound DNS which provides DNS-over-TLS service at port 853. It forward request to my local pihole's 53 port. 2. Pihole forward reques…

I don't know how you can say that's easy with a straight face. You just mentioned at least 5 software projects and/or technologies that a large bulk of people have never heard of.

OP must have gone to a prestigious business schools in Paris

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

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Post by homero »

sstanfie wrote: post #13

Tried using: set my Meraki to serve up the IP address given by the dashboard. The my.nextdns.io dashboard says something like "this device is using a different configuration with nextdns". I think it happens after you configure an anonymous DNS, then you create an account. It feels like my configuration got disconnected or something. Hard to describe. Regardless, the blacklist/whitelist didn't work. Maybe a caching p…

The router, os and browser can cache so whitelist takes a while

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

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Post by homero »

kissgyorgy wrote: post #84

There is a very important use-case which you can do on a local network but can't with this: setting up a DHCP server and pushing a default DNS server address even to clients which network settings you don't have access to, is possible locally. Xbox, streaming devices, non-geek friends devices, etc. Pihole can do this and ohmygod it's life changing!

No any router supports doing that

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

#148

Post by dual_basis »

freedomben wrote: post #141
bscphil wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"free-as-in-speech" is usually intended to contrast with "free-as-in-beer", thereby disambiguating the word "free" in English. Some software is "free-as-in-speech", which means you aren't limited with what you can do with it or its code -- "free" means that the user has certain rights. I think Stallman introduced this way of talking about software; people sometimes use "libre" instead. https://ssd.eff.org/en/glossary…

Yes, this is exactly what I meant with my usage of the word. free-as-in-speech (where you can easily recreate the speech yourself) versus free-as-in-beer (where you can't easily recreate the beer since it is closed source) (at least this is always how I have interpreted the meaning personally). The most recent example would be FileBot which I bought a subscription for mostly because it is high quality and is free sof…

While I now understand "free-as-in-speech" is meant to refer to "free in the sense of Stallman's ideology", I still don't think the following makes any sense:

> free-as-in-speech (where you can easily recreate the speech yourself)

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with recreating the speech. The term "free speech" means "no censorship".

The connection, as I now understand it based on other comments here, is that "free speech" refers to a freedom relating to people's rights as opposed to "free beer", which refers to cost. In that sense I can understand the connection to free software in the sense that Stallman advocates for.

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

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Post by gregf »

nextdns wrote: post #44
ignoramous wrote: post #12

Nice. DNS has grown notoriously complex over the years and it is hard work to run a standards compliant service. Congratulations. A few suggestions: - Auto-detect OS and suggest specific setup instructions right on the landing page? - The website goes blank when I block third-party JavaScript from loading. Can you please see if you can fix that? - simplednscrypt has been handy for me to DoT/DoH/DNSCrypt with AdGuard…

Thanks! > Auto-detect OS and suggest specific setup instructions right on the landing page? It should already pre-select your OS tab on my.nextdns.io on the Setup page? If that's not the case, then it's probably a bug. > The website goes blank when I block third-party JavaScript from loading. Can you please see if you can fix that? Weird, we will have a look. > simplednscrypt has been handy for me to DoT/DoH/DNSCrypt…

It detects my FreeBSD machine as windows.

Re: Show HN: nextdns.io – A Combination of Cloudflare DNS and Pi-Hole

#150

Post by aembleton »

When i use nextDNS I can't cast from the YouTube Android app to my Chromecast. This is with nothing being blocked. I can cast from the Netflix and iPlayer apps. Just not from Youtube. It works again as soon as I switch back to a different DNS provider.

Has anyone else seen this?

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