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Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Post by lr4444lr »

rongenre wrote: post #3

I stopped eating meat 6 years ago. I miss it, but decided to try going veg-only + eggs/dairy and see how it impacted my life. If I found myself unable to keep up with my exercise routines (bicycling and sporadic weight work), I'd have stopped. But it really didn't affect things, and I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production. One note: I did notice that it's tougher to control carb intake while ea…

I don't know what your pre-veg weight was, but the science we have on the health impact of 10 - 15 lbs. gain from a certain range of base weight is significant, last I read. YMMV, of course.

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Post by simplemts »

sridca wrote: post #2

Podcast with the author (Dr. David Klurfeld) discussing this subject: https://peakhuman.libsyn.com/dr-david-klurfeld-on-meat-not-c... Interesting report of his experience with WHO: - He was on the World Health Organization working group to decide if meat causes cancer in 2015 with a bunch of vegetarians and vegans and says it was the most frustrating professional experience of his life - There were 22 scientists - ha…

I'd recommend the book "How to not Die".

Here are some takeaways: "Which foods contain the most cholesterol? Eggs, fish, chicken, and red meat all earn the red light..."

"As for saturated fat, desserts, dairy, and snack foods are all designated as red light, with eggs, chicken, fish, and red meat getting the yellow light. Most of the saturated fat in the American diet comes from cheese (8.5%), pizza (5.9%), grain-based desserts (5.8%), dairy desserts (5.6%), and chicken (5.5%)."

"Salt levels are highest in lunch meat and snack foods, which both get a red light."

"...The more plant-based we get, apparently, the better."

Conclusion: Meat is bad, ultra processed foods are bad, and plant based diets are healthiest. Based on your comment alone, sounds like both Dr. Klurfeld and the WHO scientists are biased, whereas that book provides references to each and every claim that has science backing it. It's not rocket science, it's no surprise at all to find cholesterol, sodium, saturated fats, etc. are in meat and processed foods.

Book: https://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/d...

https://nutritionfacts.org/2018/02/15/what-are-the-best-and-...

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Post by bfrog »

rongenre wrote: post #3

I stopped eating meat 6 years ago. I miss it, but decided to try going veg-only + eggs/dairy and see how it impacted my life. If I found myself unable to keep up with my exercise routines (bicycling and sporadic weight work), I'd have stopped. But it really didn't affect things, and I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production. One note: I did notice that it's tougher to control carb intake while ea…

You can better control the feeling of full by eating enormous salads. Normally you divvy up the large salad mixing bowl, that mixing bowl is now your salad portion. Congrats if you do this, you'll easily lose 15+ lbs down to a new equilibrium if you don't overload the salad full of crap.

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Post by shortoncash »

rongenre wrote: post #3

I stopped eating meat 6 years ago. I miss it, but decided to try going veg-only + eggs/dairy and see how it impacted my life. If I found myself unable to keep up with my exercise routines (bicycling and sporadic weight work), I'd have stopped. But it really didn't affect things, and I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production. One note: I did notice that it's tougher to control carb intake while ea…

I'm in the same boat (but vegan). I supplement B12 and iron out of caution, but I am not sure they are even necessary. Just copy what the Indians do; they get by without meat and their diets and classic recipes seem to have evolved recipes that compensate for lack of meat.

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Post by derefr »

The one thing that I know eating meat (and/or other tyrosine sources) affects, is the switching frequency of tyrosine kinases in your cells. (Helpful mental model: some of your cellular organelles are finite-state machines. Tyrosine kinases trigger their state transitions.)

And I don’t know with the same level of certainty, but do believe, that this switching/state-transitioning in your cells is a major contributor to cellular senescence. Decreasing the switching frequency of tyrosine kinases in the body is, IIRC, being proposed as as both 1. a major reason that intermittent fasting increases lifespan, and 2. as a potential mechanism by which some aquatic species that live in extreme cold can live for hundreds of years.

It’d be nice to be able to turn this effect down, is what I’m saying. Sadly, it seems that doing so makes some things (like maintaining homeostasis during exercise) much harder. So there’s, maybe, a trade-off here: a longer life, but one constrained to only a part of the range of human activity. Interesting choice.

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Post by theNJR »

hammock wrote: post #8
Accacin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what you mean by unhealthy snack options? There are loads, I tend to eat nuts and fruit, hummus, fruit, etc. I'm not sure where you are, but there are some lovely snack bars in the UK called 'nakd' that are cold pressed fruit bars in a variety of flavours that often do the trick when I want to snack. If I'm not wanting any of the former, crisps are always a way for me to feel full quickly though they're hard…

>there are some lovely snack bars in the UK called 'nakd' that are cold pressed fruit bars We have these in the US too, they are called Lara bars and RX Bars.

Also know as candy bars!

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Post by ainiriand »

rongenre wrote: post #3

I stopped eating meat 6 years ago. I miss it, but decided to try going veg-only + eggs/dairy and see how it impacted my life. If I found myself unable to keep up with my exercise routines (bicycling and sporadic weight work), I'd have stopped. But it really didn't affect things, and I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production. One note: I did notice that it's tougher to control carb intake while ea…

I run 5k < 20m and fully vegan so I do not think there is a correlation. You should check what you're missing in your diet because when you remove a pillar you need to replace it with something. For me it is legumes, I eat mostly legumes.

Re: What is the role of meat in a healthy diet?

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Post by spoovy »

hirundo wrote: post #5

> I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production. Would you eat meat from an outfit that convinced you it was raised without cruelty, right up to a pain and panic free slaughter? For say, a 20% premium?

I definitely would. You can buy chickens for £2.50 each in ASDA which is less than a pint of beer in my local pub. Something not right about that.

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Post by arethuza »

rongenre wrote: post #3

I stopped eating meat 6 years ago. I miss it, but decided to try going veg-only + eggs/dairy and see how it impacted my life. If I found myself unable to keep up with my exercise routines (bicycling and sporadic weight work), I'd have stopped. But it really didn't affect things, and I find myself unable to justify the cruelty of meat production. One note: I did notice that it's tougher to control carb intake while ea…

I moved to a house in a rural area that is pretty much surrounded by fields full of pretty happy looking cattle and sheep - I have to say this has actually made me a bit squeamish, particularly about eating lamb (young lambs being some of the cutest animals you could wish to see).
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