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When I went to America, I couldn't believe how cheap chicken was. I once found boneless chicken breast for $1.99/pound. Eggs were dirt cheap as well, sometimes less than $1.00/dozen. I don't remember ever seeing prices like these in Canada.

My record for a dozen eggs was $0.37/dozen in summer of 2017 at an Aldi in a town go about it 30,000 in Iowa. It was roughly that price the whole summer. From my understanding, that was below the price of production. 2017 was a very tough year for chicken farmers, with a huge oversupply. The chicken rendering (killing) operations were backlogged by many months. Farmers often had no choice but to raise the chickens th…

My record for chicken is $.35/lb for chicken drumsticks. It was however from a wholesale store and came in a 40lb box. To me that's more frightening than anything. Like how is that chicken so cheap...

Re: Why is chicken so cheap? [video]

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In Europe, people still buy cigarettes as much as before even though they're generic and covered with morbid pictures of various gruesome diseases.

Not sure any body is actually addicted to chicken in the same way

well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noVEsJy8-_g

Re: Why is chicken so cheap? [video]

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Depends how you define success. > By evolving to Being selected to by us > they have convinced humans to feed and house them No, humans have constructed chickens to meet our requirements, minimising the amount we need to house them (e.g. killing them at a few weeks old).

Human are part of nature too, so yes they evolved.

And were selected by us, which is more precise and relevant. You can replace "force fed" with just "fed" when it comes to foie gras and be both still correct and missing the key point.

Re: Why is chicken so cheap? [video]

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Whenever I travel outside the US, I'm always struck by how different the chickens look. Chickens in the US have a pale appearance, with flabby, almost mushy meat. They look as if they were grown on a tree, never alive and running. While chickens in say, Italy or Mexico tend to look like they were alive at some point. There's color in the meat, often a yellow tint. Their skin and muscle look used and not atrophied. I…

The bulk of the video is a british chicken farmer explaining the economic realities. I don't think bad chicken is unique to the US; I suspect cheap meat is about the same everywhere.

It's about the same everywhere that has industrial scale farms that breed chickens through enclosed spaces with limited sunlight and processed feed :D. That's not every country.

However I suspect it's especially bad in the US as the video did casually mention battery cages were made illegal in the EU. Furthermore, that chicken farm was a lot less crowded than some of the Purdue farms filmed in activist videos.

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blacks being humans didn't stop us from slotting them into an inferior moral category. and back then, we asserted as scientific fact that they were inferior. the apparatus of justification is something which changes over time. it is interesting to me to observe your invocation of our present day apparatus of justification. :)

Yes, but we came to see blacks as equal because they are, in fact, humans, just like whites. Animals will never be humans, no matter what. They will always remain a separate moral category. Here's a simple thought experiment that should illustrate this: Imagine a scenario in which you can save one of two lives: a human or a dog. You can't pick both. Just one. The question is not, "Which would you save?", but instead,…

that's post-hoc rationalization.

we came to see blacks as humans because lots of people shed blood and fought for their rights. nothing was handed to anyone for free.

Re: Why is chicken so cheap? [video]

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When I went to America, I couldn't believe how cheap chicken was. I once found boneless chicken breast for $1.99/pound. Eggs were dirt cheap as well, sometimes less than $1.00/dozen. I don't remember ever seeing prices like these in Canada.

My record for a dozen eggs was $0.37/dozen in summer of 2017 at an Aldi in a town go about it 30,000 in Iowa. It was roughly that price the whole summer. From my understanding, that was below the price of production. 2017 was a very tough year for chicken farmers, with a huge oversupply. The chicken rendering (killing) operations were backlogged by many months. Farmers often had no choice but to raise the chickens th…

Currently $0.56 / dozen at Meijers in Columbus Ohio.

Re: Why is chicken so cheap? [video]

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When I went to America, I couldn't believe how cheap chicken was. I once found boneless chicken breast for $1.99/pound. Eggs were dirt cheap as well, sometimes less than $1.00/dozen. I don't remember ever seeing prices like these in Canada.

Bonless chicken breast frequently goes on sale for $0.99 / lb.

Re: Why is chicken so cheap? [video]

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Personally I would say they "were bred" rather than they "evolved" because it's the result of artificial selection, rather than natural selection.

Once again, humans are a part of nature. Chickens exist in a symbiotic relationship with humans. Would you describe the fungus grown by certain ant colonies as having been 'bred' by the ants or as co-evolving with them? Chicken evolution is only artificial if you consider human desires and motivations as being outside of nature.

What I'm saying is that scientists and dictionaries literally define "artificial selection" to mean a process where people (instead of nature) select which organisms get to reproduce [1].

Chicken farmers breeding a fast-growing chicken is a textbook example of artificial selection.

And while humans are part of nature, nobody would call a car crash a "natural disaster" just because it was caused by humans.

[1] https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_30

Re: Why is chicken so cheap? [video]

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because chickens are cheap to feed and breed you don't need automation to make it cheap My family used to breed any sort of livestock, from chickens to lambs, from cows to pigs, from rabbits to pigeons High quality meat, just for the family chickens are by far the cheapest and easiest (rabbits get sick easily, pigs eat a lot, cows need a lot of work to keep them clean etc. etc.)

Right, but why are they the cheapest form of meat? There’s probably some biochemical or energy utilization reason. Perhaps it has to do with chickens being fairly lean meat. I don’t know, but have often wondered.

because they can eat almost everything, even if not bred in an industrial farm, you can let them roam free and they will live by eating insects or seeds they find around.

Some of my grandmas chicken used to eat the leftovers around pigs manger, but some of them became reckless and ate while pigs were eating and we started to find chickens with the heads chopped off, so we built a fence to keep chickens away from pigs food.

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The main reason has little to do with any of that, but just historical inertia. There's a lot of species that could have potentially replaced the chicken if we unwind human history and started anew, but it's not a competition between wild species of birds today, but chickens with at least 5000 years of human-guided domestication v.s. most other species. The same can be said about pretty much anything people eat and f…

I think your #2 is a pretty good insight. Separately, I’m more interested in why chickens are more economically efficient than, say, pigs or cows than why they’re more efficient than other birds. Any thoughts there?

#2 is pretty obvious, birds of prey are predators, you don't put predators together in the same space

But the same happens if you put two roosters in the same hen

chickens are not much more efficient than many other birds though

just more common

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