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Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Hanlon's razor applies here. If there was truly something nefarious going on, why would FedEx update the tracking status to say that the packages were re-routed? Why not just say they were held up in the sending or receiving country?

Doesn't the NSA supposedly have a facility in Japan? Wouldn't they have just intercepted it there instead of sending it to the US?

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Regardless of the cause of this particular set of events, corporate media engagement as resistance against state actors is the only logical development that can be expected following the Snowden revelations which confirmed that long-theorized postal interception methods are in use. This creates additional pushback for FedEx who now have to prove they aren't working for US intelligence, or face losing additional custo…

Even if Huawei stops using FedEx and switches to 'HenryBemisEx', there is nothing that a gag order can't fix. If this is a US 3-letter-word act/intervention, it will happen with the next company down the line. The only way to prevent this is the good old way. Send 3 trusted people with 3 sets of documents from A-to-B and make sure that nobody opens those darned folders. I am simplifying this, but hey, you send something using publicly available methods, you get publicly available privacy violations (unfortunately).

I enjoyed the "FedEx doesn't comment..." policy.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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If US intelligence wanted it, it would simply get put on hold at some foreign facility while agents go through it there (or use that transparent paper spray). Nothing different would be noticed.

What is this transparent paper spray?

I hope it sprays transparent paper.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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> The illusion of the rule of law Rule of law has always been national. International politics are anarchic. Huawei quite clearly broke the laws of the United States ( e.g. with respect to Iran), repeatedly and wilfully.

Importing goods to Iran really isn't a violation of US laws, any more than, say, a twenty year old Huawei employee having a beer in Beijing or driving at 120 mph on a German autobahn. The rule of law is indeed national, and legally the US has very little jurisdiction outside its borders. Extralegally, of course, it has plenty of powers to arrest, kill or torture those it doesn't like.

The allegations against Huawei aren't that it "imported goods into Iran." The allegations are that it imported American goods into Iran, which is clearly a violation of US export laws. If such laws didn't apply to third-party distributors of American goods, then the only effect of US sanctions would be have foreign distributors exporting American goods rather than American ones.

Huawei appears to have known this as well seeing as Meng Wanzhou had fraudently misrepresented the relevant transactions to the banks it was working with.

There was nothing extralegal about Meng Wanzhou's arrest.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Because they want to be able to do it at scale? The ideal approach would be to have packages of the "interesting" kind automatically diverted to a scanning location, and then continue on their way... Dont think of it as them being interested in a single package. They are interested in setting up a mechanism by which ALL packages of interest can be diverted with only very small effort on their part.

If they were doing it at scale this wouldn't be the first time we are reading about it on HN.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa...

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Importing goods to Iran really isn't a violation of US laws, any more than, say, a twenty year old Huawei employee having a beer in Beijing or driving at 120 mph on a German autobahn. The rule of law is indeed national, and legally the US has very little jurisdiction outside its borders. Extralegally, of course, it has plenty of powers to arrest, kill or torture those it doesn't like.

The allegations against Huawei aren't that it "imported goods into Iran." The allegations are that it imported American goods into Iran, which is clearly a violation of US export laws. If such laws didn't apply to third-party distributors of American goods, then the only effect of US sanctions would be have foreign distributors exporting American goods rather than American ones. Huawei appears to have known this as w…

The allegation is not quite that Huawei imported American goods into Iran. The accusation is that Huawei misled a non-American bank, HSBC, about its relationship with Skycom, a company that is accused of importing some American office computers into Iran. The US alleges that Huawei essentially controls Skycom, and that it hid this from HSBC, a British bank. Since HSBC does business in the US, it would not be allowed to give loans to Huawei.

You can start to see how far-reaching American sanctions are. A British bank is being told that it cannot do business with a Chinese company, because that Chinese company allegedly controls a Hong Kong company that imported small numbers of American goods into Iran. As I understand it, these sorts of extensive secondary sanctions are not normal, and are a sore point between the US and many countries, including some of its allies (such as France and Germany).

I would be very interested to know what gives the US any jurisdiction to demand the arrest of a foreign executive on foreign territory, for acts committed on foreign territory. Whatever the legal justification, though, this is a very unusual and aggressive step, and one that is transparently motivated by political considerations in the ongoing trade war.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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What they're doing to Huawei will have nefarious consequences to the US. Who can ever trust a country that can use this kind of tactics to destroy a comercial competitor?

China's tactics aren't really any better (allow blatant IP theft). I suppose the only real difference was that this wasn't well-known in advance. It's like the Joker's statement about people losing their shit when something happens unannounced but being orderly when much worse is announced in advance.

China hasn't taken any actions comparable to this. This would be like shutting down Apple's production lines in China with no warning - essentially a coup de grace to a major tech company.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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> The illusion of the rule of law Rule of law has always been national. International politics are anarchic. Huawei quite clearly broke the laws of the United States ( e.g. with respect to Iran), repeatedly and wilfully.

Huawei may have broken the law with respect to violating U.S's sanctions on Iran. These are still unproven allegations as of yet. Meanwhile, Société Générale, Deutsche Bank, BNP Paribas, JP Morgan have provably done exactly that. Yet there is only one C-suite level executive who is currently being held personally, criminally liable for corporate actions. I guarantee you won't be seeing Jamie Dimon threatened with pri…

Very simply, sanctions evasion is enforced differently from other domains. In any case, China is a terrible foil for the rule of law. Meng will get a fair trial in America. Nobody from anywhere would get the same in China.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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It’s just a bargaining chip. If China meets some of Trumps demands, be prepared to watch all these security reasons disappear like snow on a sunny day.

Basing an argument on a hypothetical future event isn't very convincing. >The order, which will not name specific countries or companies, has been under consideration for more than a year but has repeatedly been delayed, the sources said, asking not to be named because the preparations remain confidential. It could be delayed again, they said. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei-tech-exc... Is it your…

Trump has already publicly announced that he's willing to use Huawei as a bargaining chip. This isn't vague speculation. It's something the President of the United States is openly saying:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china/trump-say...

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