Fedex diverted huawei’s packet through the US by mistake. China telecom diverted internet packets through China because it must be hacking.
Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am kind of surprised that neither Deutsche Post[0] nor ZTO[1] nor SF Express[2] shares are up on the news. Why would they be up on the news? They're just as likely to be engaging in the same behavior, only for a different set of government actors.
Intercepting it in the US or within their own country is one thing. Rerouting a document being sent from Japan to China to the US multiple times is most certainly not a common thing mail services would do for intelligence agencies. Getting a private company operating in a foreign country to do your intelligence work so blatantly is certainly news worthy. Maybe not stock price shifting news though.
I think it should affect stock price. Espionage is usually punished pretty harshly and you have no guarantee that said private company won't be charged with it in the future when the political landscape changes in the country.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
What they're doing to Huawei will have nefarious consequences to the US. Who can ever trust a country that can use this kind of tactics to destroy a comercial competitor?
China's tactics aren't really any better (allow blatant IP theft). I suppose the only real difference was that this wasn't well-known in advance. It's like the Joker's statement about people losing their shit when something happens unannounced but being orderly when much worse is announced in advance.
We already don't trust China though. That's the difference.
Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
What they're doing to Huawei will have nefarious consequences to the US. Who can ever trust a country that can use this kind of tactics to destroy a comercial competitor?
> What they're doing to Huawei will have nefarious consequences to the US And what consequences do you imagine there will be?
Countries around the world will realize that it is not safe to trust in the US as a player in the global market. This may not seem big initially, but market barriers around technology will start to crop up everywhere in developed nations.
Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were documents. Why wouldn't they have just intercepted them in-place instead of sending them to the US? It doesn't make sense to be anything other than an error and Huawei being paranoid (rightfully so, but still).
They could be being paranoid, or they could be feeding mistrust of American corporations because the US has lead people to mistrust them. Russia has used similar tactics in the past to counter US measures.
The NSA has broken into Huawei's systems in the past[1]. I think it's more than reasonable for them to explore the possibility that this is a continuation of that pattern.
[1]: https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/23/latest-snowden-allegations...
Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
China's tactics aren't really any better (allow blatant IP theft). I suppose the only real difference was that this wasn't well-known in advance. It's like the Joker's statement about people losing their shit when something happens unannounced but being orderly when much worse is announced in advance.
We already don't trust China though. That's the difference.
Who are "we" here? Readers of hacker news, or your family which you may or may not have the right to represent?
Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they were doing it at scale this wouldn't be the first time we are reading about it on HN.
It isn't.
It also wouldn't be the first time a shipping/logistics error caused a package to be misrouted.
The obvious and most probable answer is usually the right answer unless you have evidence otherwise.
Not every weird incident is part of some conspiracy.
Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
#119What kind of sloppy 2 bit intelligence operation informs the customer their packages are being redirected to the US? The article mentioned the packages were in the process of being marked "return to sender"
To me, this is clearly a case of not being able to read the shipping label, damage to packaging, or similar. It would make plenty of sense that manual "human" decisions on what to do with undeliverable packages is handled by FedEx employees in the US. I have had mail returned before and it always ends up going to a random place, likely to be hand sorted, and taking forever to make its way back.
This is likely a non-story trying to throw shade on US companies to distract from negative press on Hauwei. Besides, the mail was shipped using a US based carrier, probably airmail. A plane can make it across the world in 24 hours, so it might make sense to route certain destinations through the US regardless for logistical reasons. If I could ship something to Europe using China Post I would not be fazed if my package ends up in China at some point.
If you don't want something to end up in the US don't ship it using a US based mail carrier that is a private company allowed to send your package in any manner it desires. Hauwei complaining to the Chinese government about how their packages are being routed through the US on the way to their destination by a US based mail carrier, what a joke
Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
#120> FedEx spokeswoman Maury Donahue told Reuters the packages were “misrouted in error” and that FedEx was not requested to divert them by any other party. Scout's honor. Sounds a lot like Huawei saying it was just a coding error. Would they get away of a spying accusation with this? If it can happen in the US (FedEx, Cisco) it can surely happen in China. It's strange seeing people defending this as "probably an error"…
The difference is that Huawei has a board of CCP members that sits within Huawei and has say over their actions. While FedEx is an independent company that operates within the US, and has access to US courts to defend themselves. It's 1st party vs 3rd party, when it comes to government influence.
Huawei is assumed to be working at behalf of the CCP because the CCP has management control over the company. It's like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Do you doubt that the US government has control over them? They are "independent" government sponsored companies with oversight by the US government... just like Huawei.
Everyone knows Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac implement policies put in place by the US government. That's their job. But when it comes to Huawei, we're all suppose to ignore the CCP control?
China likes to have state-run companies (far more than the US does). The consequence is that no one trusts you. If they don't like it, and want to build trust with their customers, then they can liberalize their markets (or at least let Huawei be a fully independent company).