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The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by asveikau »

masonic wrote: post #108
asveikau wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up on the east coast. My inclination has always been: don't leave valuables in cars, especially not visibly so. Keep your stuff in sight and typically on your person. Here in SF, I often see people leave laptops on tables as they go to coffee shop bathrooms and I think, "wow, that person is crazy". (Even though I have never seen their laptops be stolen.) And it wasn't SF that did that to me. Where are people f…

Blaming the victims is insulting. Cars are broken into without even without any valuables in view . There is a common technique for breaking into Teslas, for example, such that the rear side window is broken to gain immediate access to the trunk release. Teslas get broken into on sheer speculation.

I was not blaming victims. I am saying people take precautions wherever they live, it is most certainly not just SF as the parent claimed.

For you to call that victim blaming is ... Rather insulting.

> Cars are broken into without even without any valuables in view

I live in San Francisco, you think I don't know this?

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by travisjungroth »

xltk wrote: post #105
travisjungroth wrote: post #2

I grew up in Sonoma and lived in San Francisco for three years. I’m near the end of a two month stay in Medellín, Colombia. I’m looking to make the move out of SF permanent. People here ask me why I’d move to a city like Medellín from SF. It’s because there’s less crime, less drug use, less homelessness and less street harassment for my girlfriend.

While I sympathize with your position, this feels a little misleading and lacking in perspective. I’ve lived all over San Francisco and am now in the Inner Richmond. It’s easily my favorite place I’ve ever lived. Amazing food, easy access to two of the more incredible city parks in the country (Golden Gate and Presidio), and very safe [1]. I’ve gone for many a walk listening to music after midnight with no threat of…

It’s wild that you say that my comment is lacking in perspective when you haven’t been to one of the two cities I’m comparing.

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by wpietri »

masonic wrote: post #106
wpietri wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll answer, as I guess you're addressing me with this (although I'm not totally sure what "parent gp" means). As I said, the article, which is on a topic where I'm reasonably well informed, seemed at best badly written to me. When an article is a) bad, and b) bad in a way that's convenient to somebody, it's worth asking how it got published. Personally, I think "evaluate the content on its merits and evidence" is a…

You say it's "bad" yet fail to point out a single inaccuracy.

Scroll up, bub. I already pointed out some inaccuracies I saw.

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by scruple »

massaman_yams wrote: post #75
theNJR wrote: post #67

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My grandmother in law just sold her place in SF after living there since the 60s. 7 of 9 offers were from Chinese nationals looking to park their money. Full cash, no inspection, no contingency and of course never visited by the potential buyer. Market forces and demand are not necessarily about a desire to live there.

That's part of the effect, but I don't think you can reasonably claim it's most of it - demand for rental housing is still high.

I don't think anyone can claim one way _or the other_ on this issue. Once you live in a place that is being used in some part to park mainland Chinese money, like I currently _do_, you really start to wonder why there aren't readily available statistics on this problem.

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by anigbrowl »

immichaelwang wrote: post #87
anigbrowl wrote: post #76

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Left wingers are very much in support of housing. It seems like you've come here to grind a political axe. In general it's better to make good arguments in your first comment rather than reveal them in striptease fashion. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I've only donated and voted for liberal candidates. Also, my comment explicitly said 'leftists' which is different than liberals. Argument was also in direct response to a comment. Good day to you~

I didn't say anything about 'liberals'. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by Simulacra »

Low level crime slowly becomes a drain on the entire neighborhood. Theft, vandalism, taking a crap in the street, it all adds up. Eventually the police will find a way to reduce such crime, or citizens will start building gated enclaves and hiring guards, creating the burbclaves that Neal Stephenson warned us about.

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by andreshb »

travisjungroth wrote: post #2

I grew up in Sonoma and lived in San Francisco for three years. I’m near the end of a two month stay in Medellín, Colombia. I’m looking to make the move out of SF permanent. People here ask me why I’d move to a city like Medellín from SF. It’s because there’s less crime, less drug use, less homelessness and less street harassment for my girlfriend.

I feel safer in Medellin than in San Francisco. In Medellin harassment and crime is not random. I’ve lived in both cities and currently live in Medellin while frequently traveling to SF for business

You have to deliberately go into the wrong neighborhood and mess with the wrong people.

Every time I’m in SF I’m on edge when I walk in the street.

In Medellin I feel safe walking around with AirPods and iphone out, plus I’m not on defensive mode ready to dodge feces or harassment.

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by andreshb »

xltk wrote: post #105
travisjungroth wrote: post #2

I grew up in Sonoma and lived in San Francisco for three years. I’m near the end of a two month stay in Medellín, Colombia. I’m looking to make the move out of SF permanent. People here ask me why I’d move to a city like Medellín from SF. It’s because there’s less crime, less drug use, less homelessness and less street harassment for my girlfriend.

While I sympathize with your position, this feels a little misleading and lacking in perspective. I’ve lived all over San Francisco and am now in the Inner Richmond. It’s easily my favorite place I’ve ever lived. Amazing food, easy access to two of the more incredible city parks in the country (Golden Gate and Presidio), and very safe [1]. I’ve gone for many a walk listening to music after midnight with no threat of…

That’s like saying “I’ve never been to Manhattan, but I’ve been to Baltimore, Detroit, and St Louis and I wouldn’t feel safe in Manhattan”

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by xltk »

andreshb wrote: post #118
xltk wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I sympathize with your position, this feels a little misleading and lacking in perspective. I’ve lived all over San Francisco and am now in the Inner Richmond. It’s easily my favorite place I’ve ever lived. Amazing food, easy access to two of the more incredible city parks in the country (Golden Gate and Presidio), and very safe [1]. I’ve gone for many a walk listening to music after midnight with no threat of…

That’s like saying “I’ve never been to Manhattan, but I’ve been to Baltimore, Detroit, and St Louis and I wouldn’t feel safe in Manhattan”

Baltimore, Detroit, and St. Louis have the three highest murder rates in the U.S. [1]. If you’re implying the cities I listed have higher rates of murder or violence than Medellin, that is only true of Tijuana. Medellin has a murder rate of roughly 25/100,000 people [2], more than double any of the other cities I listed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Colombia

Re: The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco

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Post by xltk »

travisjungroth wrote: post #112
xltk wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I sympathize with your position, this feels a little misleading and lacking in perspective. I’ve lived all over San Francisco and am now in the Inner Richmond. It’s easily my favorite place I’ve ever lived. Amazing food, easy access to two of the more incredible city parks in the country (Golden Gate and Presidio), and very safe [1]. I’ve gone for many a walk listening to music after midnight with no threat of…

It’s wild that you say that my comment is lacking in perspective when you haven’t been to one of the two cities I’m comparing.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you lived in one of the more crime-ridden parts of SF (Tenderloin/SoMa/Mid-Market/Mission) while living in a relatively good neighborhood in Medellin (estrato 4 or above from my limited research). If that’s the case, I don’t see how that’s a fair comparison.

And you’re right - I can’t say for sure what Medellin is like because I’ve never been there.

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