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EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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This is brilliant! Finally there's the opportunity to adopt an equalizing language that will also help free us from national culture isolationism : - a language that is nobody's mother tongue: YEEEY! - language that is not attached to any one culture: 10x YEEY! Think about it! This could help global not just European unity: all the people of Asian and African origin who already speak fluent English could instantly em…

> One thing Globalism 1.0 did wrong was trying to destroy culture Could you expand on this, I'm not sure what you're referring to?

...well, destroy is too harsh a world, but the "uniformization" process of global brands has not really created any authentic "strong culture". Also in trying too be maybe too politically correct and not to offend anyone, any "globally marketed" idea always ended up washed up.

You need to CREATE ideas/stuff etc., and be occasionally violent/offensive with them (just be sure to offend everyone), otherwise unifomization and standardization will just destroy whatever is there to start with by diluting it out of existence.

The "globalism destroys culture" is a fav meme of the "other side" now, but it's not without base! If you pour water into wine, or if you mix all wines in equal proportions, you basically "destroy" wine. What you want is an authentically new kind of wine! And you can only build this on some neutral / owned-by-nobody foundation, otherwise everyone will want "wine 2.0" to be their style of wine, and you'll end up with some "designed by democratic committee" crap, instead of something designed by individual creative geniuses competing among themselves and building on top of this new neutral foundation.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Finished the article but I haven't seen a single proposal of what this actually would mean. EU English would be different how? And that's besides the fact that I also have yet to hear a single real advantage for forking the language and creating 15 competing standards.

Reasons like "then it's fair for everyone" doesn't make any sense when the UK is gone anyway, it would make sense right now since one country has an advantage, but not after brexit.

> It will be taking advantage of [the current] situation [since it] is already spoken by pretty much everybody.

Is the author saying it's more difficult to read or write british english than it is to read an as-of-yet-undefined EU english?

> It will rid the French or the Germans of the temptation try to make their language the dominant one

Right, once we adopt a currently fictional en_EU, they'll know they lost the battle. But the same would be true if we adopt de_EU or fr_EU or keep en_UK. Whatever decision is made, it won't lessen any discussion until said decision has been made.

> It will rid the Europeans of some of the oddities of British English which make it a tiny bit more complex

You mean adding silent letters to words like 'color' (colour) or 'no' (know)? To make the letters match the pronunciation, it needs an overhaul quite a bit larger than switching away from british english.

> It will give the Europeans some “closure” with the Brits

frowns

> It will give the EU a chance [words words words] to finally make widely understood some of the terms and notions that are specifically EU / European but are nowhere to be found in British or American English.

Like what? I have no idea what the author is talking about.

> It will give the EU a chance [words words words] to gain a stronger popular culture position on the world stage.

I think our various languages add a lot of culture rather than forking English. (Though I'd personally rather be rid of all the languages: fewer language is more convenient than yet another language.)

> It will further enable the EU’s communication with the entire rest of the world

Surely you're joking. Speaking a different language just for the sake of it helps international communication how?

> because guess what (working) language they already speak[: English]

... precisely, so why change it?

> expressions, idioms, etc. can be too specific, or “too British” [words words words], quite often those might be misunderstood or even completely missed out. Occasionally, that might be true of American English as well, but to a substantially lesser extent.

This is approaching sense. So let's have some examples? Because I still have no idea what the author is talking about, even if 80% down the article I did find the first and only sensible reason, assuming the mentioned understood-by-the-British-only expressions, idioms, etc. exist.

I'm wondering if this post is satirical or serious. Could be that I'm playing amazingly deep on someone's joke, but the other comments seem to treat it as a serious idea... not sure.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Chinese would be even better

One might think so at first glance, but it's much harder to learn (friction reduces adoption) and quite uncommon outside Asia, so it's only useful in specific situations. Plus it's not the official language of any European country.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Better to stick with Irish English, which is ready the transition point. We could rename it European English jf that helps, but creating a new one would not be in anyone's interest and practically impossible: e.g. who would be the "European English" trainers? And would the EU just adopt the English dictionary and grammar the same way the UK adopted all EU legislation as own legislation for post-brexit? Just doesnt make sense.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But everyone already speaks it. When I moved to Spain (from NL), I was flabbergasted about the level of English here; even the English teachers were impossible to understand. But now it is rapidly changing. Same in France and Germany. When I start speaking English to someone now in either of these countries, they generally understand. > Non-native speakers will always be seen as outsiders/2nd class. Not in my experie…

>>> Not in my experience. But how would you measure that; in my personal experience, the Spanish and Brits treat my wife and me like their own. Of course you can measure that! Try to get a job where communication and/or "presentation" skills are important(i.e lawyer, PR, media, investment banker etc)and see how it goes. Even the accent may cost you the job. The language skills are a handicap for any non-native speake…

That is still what you say; I do not see much proof of that. I work in banking and deal with much of what you say and I meet too many Dutch guys in those positions to think there is an issue. I was looking more for an objective measurement instead of a gut feel we both have.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For adults it is easy to move across the EU: you can work and socialise using in English. But for children, and families, it is impossible. How can a child move and be expected to learn a new language immediately? This seems like a huge disconnect. National governments need to start to offer (for parents that opt-in) primary and secondary education in English, with the entire curriculum and exams in that language as…

Renato Constantino, Filipino historian, argues persuasively that children should be educated in their natal tongue. Largely a political essay, also discusses language issues like a child having to learn a language not spoken in the home before they can begin to learn. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7735/865e2ea8fd8d9662f3916f...

Education strives to transfer the knowledge and experience of those that have gone before to the next generation, so they don't have to start from scratch. As such, it is usually more efficient to do that in the language the recipient understands best, their natal tongue. But over the longer timespan of a human life being limited to your natal tongue will also severely reduce the amount of knowledge and wisdom that you have access to. Most countries address this by giving children in school compulsory lessons in other languages once they reach a certain minimum age. Children from multi-lingual homes have a distinct advantage here, their concepts are already mapped to multiple representations and they do not need to first translate what they want to say or hear into their mother language.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Great idea, and I'd be more interested in EU English Locale. I'm Ukrainian, and whenever I choose to have an English UI, I have a problem because U.S. and GB are using a non-metric system. Canadian locale works, but it would be nice to just have a common EU English one.

UPDATE: just checked, Ubuntu's United Kingdom uses Metric system actually, no idea why was I thinking it'd be Imperial before.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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> The language of our time is English. And tomorrows language is mandarin. Let's not write off that 1.1B speakers. With the rate China is expanding its influence in the world, I wouldn't be surprised if in 100 years not speaking mandarin wouldn't look a bit odd.

If you really want to troll, try recommending Arabic as the language of Europe’s future ;)

I don't think it is a troll at all. The Chinese are ascendant and Europe / The West is clearly shooting itself in the foot at every chance we get. Given another 100 years the GGPs vision might come true. Of course that's a long time and all kinds of change could happen but it isn't out of the realm of the possible, and far more likely than many other candidates.

The big change point to me would be if leading scientific publications would start to be in Chinese rather than English and the Chinese language would give access to unique knowledge. To some extent this is already true but it is not debilitating yet. Once that happens though studying Chinese to keep up with scientific development would be about as important as studying English is for scientists today. Maybe English already has a lock-in on this but I'm not sure.

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