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Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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How is pinning the video not spreading it?

You are misreading my comment: there were two major videos of Pelosi that came to the fore recently. The one that Giuliani posted on his twitter was the one mentioned in the article, and the footage and audio was distorted and slowed down. Trump did not post this video. Trump posted the second video comprising of spliced segments of Pelosi speaking, each segment was raw footage of the House Speaker.

  the footage and audio was distorted and slowed down
Jimmy Kimmel has done this hundreds of times in his recurring "Drunk Donald Trump" segment over the past 3.5 years, usually with no disclaimer. Should he be censored?

Broadcast television has much stronger legal standards than Facebook would ever consider, too.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are misreading my comment: there were two major videos of Pelosi that came to the fore recently. The one that Giuliani posted on his twitter was the one mentioned in the article, and the footage and audio was distorted and slowed down. Trump did not post this video. Trump posted the second video comprising of spliced segments of Pelosi speaking, each segment was raw footage of the House Speaker.

the footage and audio was distorted and slowed down Jimmy Kimmel has done this hundreds of times in his recurring "Drunk Donald Trump" segment over the past 3.5 years, usually with no disclaimer. Should he be censored? Broadcast television has much stronger legal standards than Facebook would ever consider, too.

This is why it's kind of tricky. I think most people get that comedy people do one thing and are ok with that as long as it's clearly labeled. Perhaps the president and people who work for him ought to be held to a different standard though?

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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I don't prefer he become the arbiter of speech. I'd prefer the government would regulate his business and hold him accountable for the damage that lies and misinformation cause on his platform. Given that he recently called for more regulation, surely he'll agree.

> I don't prefer he become the arbiter of speech. I'd prefer the government would [...] hold him accountable for the damage that lies and misinformation cause on his platform I'm understanding you correctly, you believe that Zuckerberg should be held liable for untruthful content hosted on its platform, but you also believe that Zuckerberg should not be allowed to choose what content is hosted on its platform. How do…

I think the platform should be held liable if it causes damage to individuals by spreading false information about them. For example we could start by handing out fines to platforms if they do not remove damaging or false information in timely manner.

I don't think the platform needs to go entirely, I just think it needs to get an incentive, financially for starters, if it fails to adhere to standards set by legislators.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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Interesting how they're sidestepping the actually rather disfluent speech from Pelosi that prompted questions. Compare https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1131242531503534080 with the C-SPAN video: https://www.c-span.org/video/?460990-1/speaker-pelosi-presid... (e.g. from around 3:00): not edited.

My my Hacker News! How dare I link to an actual C-SPAN video, huh? Downvote away! Ignorance is bliss!

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Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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I'm very uncomfortable with the current trend of trying to get big tech to self police. They'll never get it right because of moving goal posts and moreover I don't want a private company to have that power in shaping social discourse. If we as a society deem that type of content to be improper and that it should not be allowed on such platforms, then let's make that explicit from a legal perspective and regulate the…

In the US that would require a constitutional amendment to alter the First Amendment. The chances of that happening are infinitesimally small compared to companies being shamed into doing that "right thing" through public pressure.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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I don't fully understand why people think Facebook should be policing content, yet no-one thinks the phone company should delete SMS messages that are spreading misinformation, or the postal service should destroy false mail etc. It it because Facebook makes it much easier to share something with a wide audience? Is it because "the algorithm" means Facebook has more responsibility than if it were a simple chronologic…

FYI, you actually can report mail fraud (including some chain letters) to the post office [1].

[1] https://www.uspis.gov/report/

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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I don't fully understand why people think Facebook should be policing content, yet no-one thinks the phone company should delete SMS messages that are spreading misinformation, or the postal service should destroy false mail etc. It it because Facebook makes it much easier to share something with a wide audience? Is it because "the algorithm" means Facebook has more responsibility than if it were a simple chronologic…

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Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are misreading my comment: there were two major videos of Pelosi that came to the fore recently. The one that Giuliani posted on his twitter was the one mentioned in the article, and the footage and audio was distorted and slowed down. Trump did not post this video. Trump posted the second video comprising of spliced segments of Pelosi speaking, each segment was raw footage of the House Speaker.

the footage and audio was distorted and slowed down Jimmy Kimmel has done this hundreds of times in his recurring "Drunk Donald Trump" segment over the past 3.5 years, usually with no disclaimer. Should he be censored? Broadcast television has much stronger legal standards than Facebook would ever consider, too.

No, because it's comedy. If people are getting what they consider "news" from late night comedy they don't understand the purpose of the show. I'd say the same thing about the Daily Show, Last Week Tonight, etc. They're not news, they're comedy shows that focus on current events. The larger elephant in the room are the news network opinion shows like Hannity and Carlson. These shows open with something to the effect of "this is just my opinion" but then spend the rest of the show speaking as everything they're saying is fact when in fact it's opinion and 100% not news.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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Hate speech and a slowed down video are two very different things.

slowed down to make the person look .... well sloooooooooow and senile. fact is the campaign was successful in fulfilling it's goal: disinformation. do we have to discuss if ageism is worse (more evil) than racism or vice versa? who will be the judge? isn't a spade a spade and "toxic" is simply toxic?

Changing two things at once (the target of the slander and the nature of the slander) is bad science.
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