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Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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post #71

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It's astonishingly easy to convince yourself that you "wouldn't have bought the thing anyway". The best way to be sure that you aren't lying to yourself is to not pirate things.

I pirated Photoshop for nearly all of my young life, since the release of 1.0. The day my business made its first dollar from photoshopped images, we bought the entire Adobe Creative Suite. Not have bought it anyway has a strange way of turning into bought the whole damn thing. I have no trouble at all with people who pirate to dabble, but I do have trouble with people who pirate software and then use it to make mone…

Oh, agreed. If I ever needed Photoshop at work, I'd buy it. Apologies if I didn't make that clear above.

Actually, I don't use Photoshop at all these days, and haven't installed it on my last couple machines. Paint.NET meets my meager needs.

Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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post #71

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It's astonishingly easy to convince yourself that you "wouldn't have bought the thing anyway". The best way to be sure that you aren't lying to yourself is to not pirate things.

Or just not lie to myself. I have sufficiently high confidence that I wouldn't have bought Photoshop that I can sleep at night. :)

We are inherently irrational creatures susceptible to dozens of cognitive biases. As a consequence, we are very good at rationalizing things we want to do but would otherwise judge wrong. That was the point neild was making - in that context, saying you will "just not lie to myself" does not address his point.

Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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post #92

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There are still a fixed number of seats on the train (or plane). If someone "steals" a seat then that's a seat that someone else cannot have. This is dramatically different from the case of digital media where there is no similar impact. For music piracy the only cost is the potential lost sale of the music to the "pirate". Edit: to follow up, I'm a music pirate and proud of it. In my experience there are three types…

The current hypothetical non-piracy model for music is broken, and it always has been. I agree with that. My main concern is not people who make unauthorized copies of music and then later buy copies; I personally think that's great, and ought to be somehow legal. I am concerned about people who make unauthorized copies of music with no intention of ever paying for it and just flat out don't care because they don't f…

It would be better to step further back and separate copying from production. People should contribute to production and be able to freely copy what is produced. The two are not really in conflict, in fact they are mutually supportive. Copyright artificially induces this opposition when it has no absolute need to. We now need a better arrangement.

Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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The fixed seats on train is only relevant if it fills up. So just imagine the case where it doesn't totally fill and consider his point again and you should see the parallel.

There are parallels, but surely there's a large, morally important difference between sneaking onto a half empty train with $50 seats, and stealing $50 from someone's wallet.

Surely it's important to pay attention to what is actually said in discussions. What was being said is that taking a train seat with zero marginal cost to the train owners is parallel to downloading a song which has zero marginal cost to the band or record label. Both are taking something with no marginal cost.

The point was that stealing that train seat really is stealing. That means that the argument "there is no marginal cost" is not a sufficient defense of music piracy. It does not exclude some other defense of music piracy.

Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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post #92

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The current hypothetical non-piracy model for music is broken, and it always has been. I agree with that. My main concern is not people who make unauthorized copies of music and then later buy copies; I personally think that's great, and ought to be somehow legal. I am concerned about people who make unauthorized copies of music with no intention of ever paying for it and just flat out don't care because they don't f…

It would be better to step further back and separate copying from production. People should contribute to production and be able to freely copy what is produced. The two are not really in conflict, in fact they are mutually supportive. Copyright artificially induces this opposition when it has no absolute need to. We now need a better arrangement.

I'm not sure I understand. Can you provide an example?

Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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post #66

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Exactly. I'm not a muscian (I'm freaking terrible at anything involved with music), and I have no stake in this game. But software development is the same freaking business model, but for some reason we don't collectively take a stand against piracy.

As a professional software developer, I've given my software work away free of charge, e.g., as a volunteer for Project GNU. I see nothing wrong with that, but I think it ought to be my own choice if I want to spend time working on something and then make it available free of charge, or if I want to sell copies of it. Likewise, I see nothing wrong with musicians giving away copies of music free of charge (and I've do…

It's very simple. If you don't want the music you created to be available free of charge, don't release it!

It's absolutely your choice. If you want to keep control of it, keep it private.

But once you (by your own choice) make it available, don't be shocked or surprised if people share it without sending you money for every copy.

The system we have for paying artists is clearly broken. It has been for a very long time. The digital revolution is just putting the final nails in the coffin.

But even before filesharing on the internet, artists were getting screwed left and right, and very very few could make a living creating art.

Now it's clearer than ever that we have to find some other ways to compensate artists for the work they do. Some suggestions that I've heard along these lines are:

  - Put a PayPal (or choose your favorite non-evil payment system) icon
    prominently on your home page and ask for donations.

  - Release your music for free, but ask for money
    so that you can work on your next album.  Don't release
    your next album until you've gotten enough of a payment
    to make it worthwhile.  If you're good and have developed
    a large enough fan base, this should be quite
    a reasonable business model.

  - Give away the music for free, but charge for
    live appearances (make money touring).

  - Make it clear to your fans that you are giving away 
    your music for free, but need them to chip in by buying
    tangible merchandise like t-shirts.
Ok. None of these are perfect. And they all work best when the artist is already well known and has a large fan base. But relatively unknown artists have always struggled to get by, and filesharing does not change that equation.

At least with all of the suggested payment methods above, the artist gets to keep a lion's share of the profit, instead of begging for pennies on the dollar when going through the established record company system.

Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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The problem most authors (artists) face is not piracy, but obscurity. Not condoning piracy, but simply an observation. (I'm skeptical that people who pirate the e-books would necessarily otherwise purchase them, so I'm always uncertain about estimates of "losses" like in this article. Many times someone will download it to just check it out, similar to flipping through it in a bookstore, which you don't have to pay f…

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Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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The problem most authors (artists) face is not piracy, but obscurity. Not condoning piracy, but simply an observation. (I'm skeptical that people who pirate the e-books would necessarily otherwise purchase them, so I'm always uncertain about estimates of "losses" like in this article. Many times someone will download it to just check it out, similar to flipping through it in a bookstore, which you don't have to pay f…

I feel it is instructive that we remember Tim O'Reilly's incisive piece titled "Piracy is progressive taxation"[0].

It makes little sense to claim that an author/musician is losing money through piracy when the likelihood is that the [majority of the] pirated copies would not have otherwise been bought.

Footnotes.

[0] http://tim.oreilly.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/12/11/piracy.html

Re: Author Slams eBook Piracy, Son Outs Her As a Music Pirate

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As an avid fly fisherman, I completely agree; however, it's often very difficult for people to conceptualize that wildlife is a limited resource. How does my taking a fish that is a half inch under the limit really hurt anyone? What about an extra fish? Or fishing after dark when it's illegal? The negative effects are often extremely far removed from the initial act. That doesn't make it ok, but it does explain why m…

This is tragedy of the commons -- if one person does it, there is no real harm but if everyone does it then there will be no fish left for anyone. A lot of people can conceptualize this but many others rely on the fact that other people don't break the rules. Music piracy is similar. Piracy works right now because there are enough people buying music and the margins are high enough that those legitimate buyers are su…

"Only at the point that creating music is unprofitable will piracy be affected (no more fish in the sea)."

Many (most) musicians/artists create music/art for the love of it. They make very little if any money doing it. Often, they even do it at a loss.

It has been this way since long, long before the internet and filesharing existed.

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