Someone named Anil shouldnt be calling anyone an asshole!
If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
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Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#82Well, duh. The problem is applying these policies - because blindly applying policies usually leads to mixed results (innocents banned, trolls using a loophole in policy and proliferating). But to quote the author - > we have a way to prevent gangs of humans from acting like savage packs of animals. In fact, we’ve developed entire disciplines based around this goal over thousands of years. We 'just' need to introduce…
I get that you're being sarcastic, but to further emphasize your point:
As I understand it, Riot Games had something similar implemented -- a jury of peers called the tribunal to render decisions in order to punish bad player behaviour (griefing, hate speech, etc) and it still didn't scale to the amount of incidents and abuse reports they were getting nor did it filter out frivolous reports. They ended up switching to automated systems as a first line of defense against obvious bad actors anyways.
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
It makes all the difference in the world who's making this argument. He relies heavily on the idea that there's some universal category of "assholes" that websites should ban, and that if any website doesn't it's their fault and everyone should pressure them to fall in line. There is no such universal category that everyone agrees on. So what he's really arguing is that people who he considers assholes should be bann…
In my opinion, your comment is stronger if you simply state: [This argument] relies heavily on the idea that there's some universal category of "assholes" that websites should ban, and that if any website doesn't it's their fault and everyone should pressure them to fall in line. [However,] there is no such universal category that everyone agrees on. That is simple, direct, and leaves him out of it. And I believe it…
That argument doesn't work. Obviously the assholes won't agree that they should be banned, and you can just argue - as he does in this post - that anyone who doesn't think the supposed assholes should be banned is doing so because they're one of them. Judging the merits of this really does mean thinking about the actual concrete values that he's fighting for.
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#84>>> Advertisers, hold sites accountable if your advertising appears next to this hateful stuff. This. One thing that could be very effective is screenshotting genuine brand ad next to vile screed. How long would it take for a 'bot to look like a white sheet wearing moron to YouTube, and then a little bit of sentiment analysis and you could automate this. Just publish the "daily worst brand fuck" on FB or YouTube. (Al…
> One thing that could be very effective is screenshotting genuine brand ad next to vile screed.
This is what Sleeping Giants have been doing for a while. They started with Breitbart... some of Milo's earlier articles were fantastic for this purpose.
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#85This post is more reasonable for smaller curated communities, but as we can see from, well, every large social website that exists currently, it can be difficult to scale. I'm curious what the other thinks the solution would be to an obvious example like Twitter. When a website consists of so many groups of users that everyone's definition of 'assholes' contradicts the others, you find that banning them gets to be pr…
Having worked at Twitter on abuse, I think that Twitter could do far more. They've gotten better, but it's still trivially easy to evade bans, the moderation decisions are frequently terrible, and there are a zillion other things wrong. That said, I think an ad-funded global discussion is impossible. You can't do good user moderation with that little money (~$0.10 per user per day total revenue, with a tiny fraction…
Thats kinda of what Mastodon is isn't? People are free to spin up their own communities with their own rules.
Everyone complains about Twitter but when alternatives are presented that gives them the power to do what they are asking for no one wants to try them.
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#86>>> Advertisers, hold sites accountable if your advertising appears next to this hateful stuff. This. One thing that could be very effective is screenshotting genuine brand ad next to vile screed. How long would it take for a 'bot to look like a white sheet wearing moron to YouTube, and then a little bit of sentiment analysis and you could automate this. Just publish the "daily worst brand fuck" on FB or YouTube. (Al…
It's not quite that simple either, and going through the advertisers can cause other negative side effects. This just happened recently on YouTube: there was a big uproar about sexual-ish comments being posted on videos of children, such as linking to timestamps with upskirt glimpses or similar. Advertisers got contacted about it, and some of them said they would stop doing any advertising on YouTube until it was add…
Yes...
..and??
Putting myself in YouTube's shoes, I've no idea how I could easily stamp out these links/comments.
What's maybe more interesting to consider is that there's been no blocks linking a URL to a particular time in a video - so it can still be done, just not from a site with a google domain in the browser-bar.
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#87Thank God for free speech and God Bless President Trump.
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#88>>> Advertisers, hold sites accountable if your advertising appears next to this hateful stuff. This. One thing that could be very effective is screenshotting genuine brand ad next to vile screed. How long would it take for a 'bot to look like a white sheet wearing moron to YouTube, and then a little bit of sentiment analysis and you could automate this. Just publish the "daily worst brand fuck" on FB or YouTube. (Al…
It's not quite that simple either, and going through the advertisers can cause other negative side effects. This just happened recently on YouTube: there was a big uproar about sexual-ish comments being posted on videos of children, such as linking to timestamps with upskirt glimpses or similar. Advertisers got contacted about it, and some of them said they would stop doing any advertising on YouTube until it was add…
> YouTube completely disabled all comments on videos featuring children, and deleted all existing comments.
This sounds like a good mitigation step to me, considering that we're talking about child predators. The incentives are aligned properly here.
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you don't mind the question, what's the niche?
The original site was - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popbitch (scurrilous media gossip from within the machine) Mine? - Mainly what people have eaten for lunch... ..but if I had to come up with a proper answer it's that it's connected a pretty disparate bunch of people who once had a random common interest, over what happened to them in the next decade or so. A shared diary?
Got it, thanks!
Re: If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault (2011)
#90>>> Advertisers, hold sites accountable if your advertising appears next to this hateful stuff. This. One thing that could be very effective is screenshotting genuine brand ad next to vile screed. How long would it take for a 'bot to look like a white sheet wearing moron to YouTube, and then a little bit of sentiment analysis and you could automate this. Just publish the "daily worst brand fuck" on FB or YouTube. (Al…
This is a myth. Advertisers love attention, love drama, love everything that makes a crowd gather. If you could avertise at public executions they would do just that.
Attention is attention.