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Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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The scale of human activity has become so large that what may seem like fairly trivial variations can be quite impactful thanks to the multiplication factor. Until we substantially reel in the global population size the situation will continue to be rather precarious.

I think this viewpoint originates from a stunning lack of imagination.

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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The only way methane from live-stock is gonna disappear is by either: 1) Lab-created meat 2) Seaweed and other techniques of reducing methane released by cows [0] 3) Less humans due birth control or fortuitous events (e.g. a plague) [0] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612452/how-seaweed-could-...

4) Reduce demand. I'm Argentinean, if I stopped eating meat my passport would probably be revoked. I grew up thinking that it was perfectly normal to eat meat 7 days a week. Even with this background, I started reducing the amount of meat some time back. I'm not vegetarian by any means, but I reduced my meat consumption about 80% without even trying. I'm sure there are lots of people that could too. > Less humans due…

Changing people mentality is the less likely way methane is going to be reduced; I'm sure you tried to convince your family but you had little or no success, some parts of the world are even having trouble making people believe that vaccines are good don't think they gonna pay much attention about methane.

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way methane from live-stock is gonna disappear is by either: 1) Lab-created meat 2) Seaweed and other techniques of reducing methane released by cows [0] 3) Less humans due birth control or fortuitous events (e.g. a plague) [0] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612452/how-seaweed-could-...

4) Reduce demand. I'm Argentinean, if I stopped eating meat my passport would probably be revoked. I grew up thinking that it was perfectly normal to eat meat 7 days a week. Even with this background, I started reducing the amount of meat some time back. I'm not vegetarian by any means, but I reduced my meat consumption about 80% without even trying. I'm sure there are lots of people that could too. > Less humans due…

I also grew up eating crazy amounts of meat here in Canada. I'm steadily moving towards a vegetarian (though with some fish and other sea life I harvest) diet despite still absolutely loving meat. I just can't justify it anymore. To me (and I know others don't need to feel the same way) it's practically immoral to eat in a way that wouldn't be sustainable if everyone else did. It's incredible to be born in a place and time where I can afford dry aged sirloin, fresh bacon, roast chicken, or smoked duck breast with my meals... But to partake in it is a serious disservice to everyone else in the world, however minute that disservice may seem at the global scale.

Having kids robbed me of the selfishness I required to isolate myself from the externalities of my lifestyle. To be honest, some days I wish I still didn't worry about it.

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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> reel in the global population size What does this mean? Forced sterilization? One-child policies? I don't ask this to be confrontational, but because it's a difficult question and I honestly want to hear opinions. Access to contraception doesn't make a difference when the culture still says you have 8 kids. This is borne out by what has happened: continued growth of the third-world population. T

watch these two videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vjGSiRGKY (17m) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXlJEcrinwg (13m) the short version is "global feminism"

LMAO

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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Often I see comments asking what we can do to combat this, or expressing feeling hopeless. While it is not the complete solution, one direct way is by eliminating your personal consumption of animal products. Animal agriculture is a huge contributor to methane production, especially from cows. > Overall, we conclude that methane emissions associated with both the animal husbandry and fossil fuel industries have large…

The only way methane from live-stock is gonna disappear is by either: 1) Lab-created meat 2) Seaweed and other techniques of reducing methane released by cows [0] 3) Less humans due birth control or fortuitous events (e.g. a plague) [0] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612452/how-seaweed-could-...

If you are going to eat red meat go Kangaroo, it's healthy and sustainable.

There are a million articles on the internet arguing either way. I would start with this one for an interesting angle: https://theconversation.com/from-pests-to-profits-making-kan...

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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post #11

The scale of human activity has become so large that what may seem like fairly trivial variations can be quite impactful thanks to the multiplication factor. Until we substantially reel in the global population size the situation will continue to be rather precarious.

> reel in the global population size What does this mean? Forced sterilization? One-child policies? I don't ask this to be confrontational, but because it's a difficult question and I honestly want to hear opinions. Access to contraception doesn't make a difference when the culture still says you have 8 kids. This is borne out by what has happened: continued growth of the third-world population. T

One thing to do is to consistently shout down voices who routinely fall back into the outdated "population growth is good because we need it for my comfortable pyramid-powered pension" argument, not realizing how much it is at odds with whatever environmentalist views they might also hold. And even if they are convinced "fuck the planetists": the old trick of deriving comfort from growth will stop working at one point, and the only open question is how close we are already or maybe even beyond.

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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Often I see comments asking what we can do to combat this, or expressing feeling hopeless. While it is not the complete solution, one direct way is by eliminating your personal consumption of animal products. Animal agriculture is a huge contributor to methane production, especially from cows. > Overall, we conclude that methane emissions associated with both the animal husbandry and fossil fuel industries have large…

It’s a nice thought, but even if we accept that the global population doing this would stem the tide of climate change (which I am doubtful it would), one quickly realizes that there is no way that the entire global population is going to stop eating animals, and we are back to feeling hopeless. I’m increasingly convinced that carbon sequestration on industrial scales is the only serious way to solve this problem.

Sequestration won’t do enough soon enough. This could be methane deposits evaporating from long frozen stores (permafrost and other sources). Methane is a much bigger problem for the atmosphere than carbon and sequestration won’t touch it.

If quitting meat sounds tough, consider that I’ve heard the only effective thing to do would be immediately cease all ICE production/use. But oddly feeding cows seaweed would cut their methane production something like 90%.

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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Often I see comments asking what we can do to combat this, or expressing feeling hopeless. While it is not the complete solution, one direct way is by eliminating your personal consumption of animal products. Animal agriculture is a huge contributor to methane production, especially from cows. > Overall, we conclude that methane emissions associated with both the animal husbandry and fossil fuel industries have large…

How will this help with the catastrophic release of methane from melting tundra and gas hydrates?

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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post #22

Often I see comments asking what we can do to combat this, or expressing feeling hopeless. While it is not the complete solution, one direct way is by eliminating your personal consumption of animal products. Animal agriculture is a huge contributor to methane production, especially from cows. > Overall, we conclude that methane emissions associated with both the animal husbandry and fossil fuel industries have large…

Not all meats are equal https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-the...

Re: Unexpected Surge in Global Methane Levels

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Often I see comments asking what we can do to combat this, or expressing feeling hopeless. While it is not the complete solution, one direct way is by eliminating your personal consumption of animal products. Animal agriculture is a huge contributor to methane production, especially from cows. > Overall, we conclude that methane emissions associated with both the animal husbandry and fossil fuel industries have large…

How will this help with the catastrophic release of methane from melting tundra and gas hydrates?

a + b - a = b

b < (a + b)

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