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Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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I miss 90s complexity! Sparc, MIPS, and Alpha were still alive. Assembly was a thing. Mobile telephones for mortals were a marvel and technological breakthrough that could let you communicate everywhere. 3D graphics could run in software, and Abrash' Black Book was a black book, and even more, wizards had managed to capture things in hardware for the PC with some sort of voodoo. Now we have 1.5 dominant boring archit…

I think we are headed back that direction. Custom hardware is coming again. It's coming because we've hit walls on sequential compute. Multi-core parallel and concurrent models are building nicely, but software lags behind, and those problems are hard. Some problems do not benefit from either of those things too. Enter custom silicon. The combination of software and well realized custom silicon to enhance performance…

Amiga still teaching lessons, after almost 35 years.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are headed back that direction. Custom hardware is coming again. It's coming because we've hit walls on sequential compute. Multi-core parallel and concurrent models are building nicely, but software lags behind, and those problems are hard. Some problems do not benefit from either of those things too. Enter custom silicon. The combination of software and well realized custom silicon to enhance performance…

Amiga still teaching lessons, after almost 35 years.

Also SGI

A 250Mhz R5K O2 could map live video onto a changing surface in real time. Among lots of other spiffy, hardware enhanced things.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

people not being able to contact me 24/7 You can still have that! I have it. Literally cannot remember the last time I answered the phone :)

Yeah, that's at least partially a social problem or how you relate to people and tech, not a tech problem per se. You have to manage your relationships to both people and tech.

The aspect 'zulgan is probably missing is that back then, you didn't have to manage this at all, as it was not a possibility. A problem not existing in the first place beats being good at dealing with it.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

I'm also in my 40s, and I strongly disagree. While I don't see the 90s as some sort of idyllic calm Zen, the nature of discourse and social connection (or lack thereof) I feel has been seriously harmed by technology. While I think it's a mistake to look at the past through rose-colored glasses, I also think it's a mistake to think "Oh, well things have always been that way."

The 90s simpler? You try learning a new technology on YouTube in the 90s or reading blogs etc. Students have it so easy these days

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

> except it was a little harder to get a hold of people Hmm. Really? Few call centres or queuing systems around yet. My bank had a local number that was answered in 3 rings - often by the same person. So did the phone and electric companies, and the tax office. They might actually remember you. I probably couldn't ping a friend if they were out with the dog, or on holiday, and definitely not in the car - few had mobi…

Cassettes? We had CDs before the 1990s, thankyouverymuch.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

> except it was a little harder to get a hold of people

I certainly don't miss using the yellow pages to find a store or service, or looking on a paper map to find where the street is.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Things we have now that I would never want to be without: - Amazing browser debugging tools - Source Maps - Typescript - VSCode w/ Liveshare - Mostly standardized CSS - Automated build tools These are solutions to problems we had in the past.

Make, as 'wbl mentioned, already existed; VSCode w/ Liveshare is probably new; rest of those are solutions to problems that didn't even exist in 90s, and were only introduced in the 2000s.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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post #44

I don't think the 90s were any simpler, but I do miss some things. Popular music was IMHO objectively better even in a pure composition sense and was much more interesting. I also miss 90s cyberculture. There was a more genuine ethos of inventing and exploring and people would never have tolerated today's lockdown and surveillance stuff. I'm amazed at how the mobile revolution boiled that frog.

> IMHO objectively

I don't think that's legal, my guy.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

> except it was a little harder to get a hold of people Hmm. Really? Few call centres or queuing systems around yet. My bank had a local number that was answered in 3 rings - often by the same person. So did the phone and electric companies, and the tax office. They might actually remember you. I probably couldn't ping a friend if they were out with the dog, or on holiday, and definitely not in the car - few had mobi…

Easier to get hold of a human at a corporation. Harder to get hold of your friends when they were out of the house.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Yes. The thing I miss the most is the sense that I, and everyone around me, used to be mentally in the same place they were physically. Obviously people were distracted or preoccupied from time to time, perhaps they had a sick far away relative, say, that dominated their thoughts. But those kind of situations were the exceptions. Now literally every single person you interact with is mentally in the middle of several…

Truth. In the 90's, if you went to a party and sat in a corner reading a book, it was usually....odd. The idea was that you were supposed to at least try to be interacting with others. Some of us were geeks, some of us found social interaction difficult, but since there wasn't a real substitute for it, we had to stick it out and learn how to be with people. And then we got the benefits of being with people. Now there…

Yeah, there used to be a separation of geek stuff from social stuff. Pre- or early-internet era, computing and technical stuff was done in a room at home, or work, or a computing facility at a university. When you left that place, you still had to be sociable with the rest of the world, even if just a little bit. Most of the tech nerds I knew still had downtime and social lives.

Today, people are glued to their devices and social interaction is minimal. It's like walking around a world filled with zombies. Frankly, it's getting weird, and I increasingly don't like it. I've recently been watching some of the old Friends episodes on Netflix, and looking at how they interact at home and outside: reading newspapers, playing cards, just chatting, etc. Reminds me a lot of me in that era as well. Too many people have lost the ability for simple social interaction, and every free moment is spent glued to a screen instead of using that time for... literally anything else: contemplation, idle conversation, looking around at the world, relaxing, doing a crossword, or whatever. Today, those friends would be sitting in silence all looking at small rectangles.

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