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Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

Amazing answer. Truth

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

#52

For the first part of the 90s we still had Commodore. Now they’ve been airbrushed from history by those left.

No one has airbrushed Commodore from history. The company went away. Many of us learned on the C64 and moved on. You make it sound like there's some conspiracy against them.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

#53

Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

I'm also in my 40s, and I strongly disagree. While I don't see the 90s as some sort of idyllic calm Zen, the nature of discourse and social connection (or lack thereof) I feel has been seriously harmed by technology.

While I think it's a mistake to look at the past through rose-colored glasses, I also think it's a mistake to think "Oh, well things have always been that way."

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

#54

Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

Also the 90s kind of sucked. Otherwise grunge and goth culture would have never taken off. Was a teenager then, but here are some of the things that I can think of: - recessions in many countries '91/'92 - Asian financial crisis '97 - higher crime rates - reunification in Germany (causing massive budgetary/cultural issues) - nuclear testing in the Pacific (was a big issue here in NZ at the time) - threat of nuclear m…

>Also the 90s kind of sucked. Otherwise grunge and goth culture would have never taken off.

Goth culture was a thing of the 80s. Grunge didn't suck, it was a reaction to overly commercial music and rock losing its roots.

>recessions in many countries '91/'92

Countries like Italy, Spain, Greece, etc had it worse in 2008 and on.

>higher crime rates

Depends on the country. Some have their record highs these days.

>reunification in Germany (causing massive budgetary/cultural issues)

But hardly a bad thing in itself.

>collapse of Soviet economies, esp. Russia

But also dissolution of the USSR and Eastern Block...

>WTO riots in Seattle 1999

That wasn't a bad thing, that was resistance. It looks like you've just posted news items from that era as downsides of the era...

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

#55
In 1995 I was making $6.75/hour as a line cook, and my combined rent, utilities, phone, and cable TV was $180/month, renting a large old house downtown with 6 other friends.

Dial-up Unix shell/internet access was free through the university. I picked up an original 128k Mac and Mac Plus with 40 MB SCSI HD at a local thrift shop for $40, both of which I still own.

A CD cost $25, a pack of cigarettes was $5, and pitchers of beer were $8.

Ten short years later I would be walking around with an always-connected Blackberry in my pocket wondering how I ever survived without Google Maps, push email, and IM.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Truth. In the 90's, if you went to a party and sat in a corner reading a book, it was usually....odd. The idea was that you were supposed to at least try to be interacting with others. Some of us were geeks, some of us found social interaction difficult, but since there wasn't a real substitute for it, we had to stick it out and learn how to be with people. And then we got the benefits of being with people. Now there…

Usenet. Fandom. CW. I was born in 1991, and there has always been a technical subculture ever since Edison.

That doesn't mean it has always been as prevalent, accessible, dominant, acceptable, and so on...

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

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Yes. The thing I miss the most is the sense that I, and everyone around me, used to be mentally in the same place they were physically. Obviously people were distracted or preoccupied from time to time, perhaps they had a sick far away relative, say, that dominated their thoughts. But those kind of situations were the exceptions. Now literally every single person you interact with is mentally in the middle of several…

Truth. In the 90's, if you went to a party and sat in a corner reading a book, it was usually....odd. The idea was that you were supposed to at least try to be interacting with others. Some of us were geeks, some of us found social interaction difficult, but since there wasn't a real substitute for it, we had to stick it out and learn how to be with people. And then we got the benefits of being with people. Now there…

> Some of us were geeks, some of us found social interaction difficult, but since there wasn't a real substitute for it, we had to stick it out and learn how to be with people. And then we got the benefits of being with people.

Or, we could just avoid being with people and play with tech instead. Many a geek kid, myself included, planted seeds for their future careers this way.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

#58

Let me answer your question with another question. How old are you? Because I'm in my 40s, which means I was in my 20s during the 1990s. And from my perspective, it was not a notably simpler time back then than it is today. It was not some pastoral idyll, it was just a time a lot like now, except it was a little harder to get a hold of people. But I do notice that when I talk to people in their 20s and 30s, they ofte…

> except it was a little harder to get a hold of people Hmm. Really? Few call centres or queuing systems around yet. My bank had a local number that was answered in 3 rings - often by the same person. So did the phone and electric companies, and the tax office. They might actually remember you. I probably couldn't ping a friend if they were out with the dog, or on holiday, and definitely not in the car - few had mobi…

You can probably store all the information computers stored at the beginning of 90s on a single server today. That's how simpler 90s were.

Re: Ask HN: Do you miss 90s simplicity?

#59
Only thing I really miss, memorizing phone numbers and just somehow always knowing where all my friends were no matter what. We could always find each other in town because we just... knew. Now if I go with friends to a store, I have to text them to find out where they are. And I miss having such a good memory on something practical, at the time, as phone numbers. You had everyone’s number in your head, pizza, most of their work numbers, etc.
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