So the choice is enjoy life or drag it out when you're falling apart.
No, Night Owls Aren’t Doomed to Die Early
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Re: No, Night Owls Aren’t Doomed to Die Early
#22"...warned against drawing conclusions based on simple correlation."
Can we just do this, in general?
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly, this was the point I was (trying) to get too. Ultimately I believe that _the majority_ of stories that will be of interest to the HN community will either be: 1. niche posts from free sources 2. More wide spread news that will be covered by every major news site, some of which are "paywalled" sites When the latter of these two happen, where a non-niche story is published, instead of users submitting a paywal…
> instead of users submitting a paywalled version of the article they could instead reference one that seems to not have this issue People often do this when the site is known to have an impenetrable paywall, e.g., WSJ. But the NYT's paywall is quite easy to bypass. It usually only appears if you've accessed more than the monthly limit's worth of articles, and after that you can just use a clean browser instance. Bea…
> People often do this when the site is known to have an impenetrable paywall, e.g., WSJ.
Not in my recent experience, which was my reason for this comment
> But the NYT's paywall is quite easy to bypass.
As I said before, why force cures on an issue instead of simply acting on preventative measures in the first instance? More to the point, how would someone bypass this if they used an app for HN? There's no "private mode" in these and simply asking people to delete the apps cache every time they hit this problem is again a cure not a preventative measure.
> Bear in mind that the NYT is generally regarded as among the premier news sources in the world.
> But the HN community would never want a lower-quality article on a topic to be given preference due to it having no paywall.
Discussing the relative "qualities" of news outlets is a discussion in and of itself, but as I also showed there is a Forbes article that echoes many of the same points. So I don't think this piece of analysis was unique to the NYT and is of such great stature that Forbes would be arbitrarily inferior to NYT? Are you suggesting it's better for the community, even if some can't read the article, to post a paywalled one rather than one everybody can read? I thought the point was to share news for _everybody_ on here?
Re: No, Night Owls Aren’t Doomed to Die Early
#24Those who are forced to wake up too early, die early.
Those who sleep enough have no extra risk.
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#25This is about a study published last year in April in Chronobiology International: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07420528.2018.1... News sites have picked it up and produced headlines on the same study with the complete opposite sentiment: https://news.sky.com/story/nocturnal-night-owls-risk-early-d... My understanding is from the article that night owls are not doomed to die early in the literal sense…
The book, “Why We Sleep” covers this and many other sleep topics at length and in far more depth. It’s fascinating.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Create a free account" Note one of the words there. I think I logged in like 5 years ago.
I'm not interested in handing out my email address to read an article, and I would expect most HN users feel the same way.
You don't have to. You can use:
1. A personal junk email
2. A junk email service
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Create a free account" Note one of the words there. I think I logged in like 5 years ago.
I'm not interested in handing out my email address to read an article, and I would expect most HN users feel the same way.
Brave browser is far ahead of the game on this front. They enable you to disable scripts on a per-domain basis with a single click. Go to the site, lion icon -> click on block scripts, paywalls are gone with none of this bother with incognito modes, email generators, or other awkward work arounds. Works for NYT, WaPo, and most any site that relies on bait and switch paywalls.
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#28> It wasn’t the conclusion of the study, or its researchers. But in the bombastic world of science reporting, it didn’t really matter.
This right here is the crux of the whole thing. Science reporting biases towards clicks and shares instead of accuracy. There is still some good science reporting out there, but it doesn't sell like the sensational headlines.
Re: No, Night Owls Aren’t Doomed to Die Early
#29Alternative hypothsis: People who stay up late have a higher probability of going out, enjoy more occasional drinks, are more probable to smoking or take recreational drugs and have more sexual partners and generally enjoy more riskier lifestyle choices, all of which contributes to the statistics showing a shorter life expectation.
Which may also lead to a greater since of community and reduced loneliness which contributes to longer life.
Re: No, Night Owls Aren’t Doomed to Die Early
#30I don't think it's when you sleep, but how much sleep you get on a consistent basis.