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Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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It is crazy how much the quality of the camera's has changed. I haven't looked into DSLR camera's for a few years, since I have one and am not really in the market for one now, but have there been similar advances in that tech? As in, ground breaking higher quality, more compact form factors, etc? You'd imagine if you can get this type of quality from a phone's camera, you'd be able to make truly amazing things happe…

Yes, there have been massive changes in DSLR/mirrorless world. The main ones are: 1) Autofocus. Check out Sony A7 III or A9 reviews, it's absolutely mindblowing. It focuses perfectly and is insanely fast. 2) Low-light sensitivity. You can get a used Sony A7s, which goes to ISO 490,000, and quite usable up to ISO 50K. At its highest ISO and with a relatively cheap f1.4 lens it's much more sensitive than my eyes - it c…

> Canon ME20F-SH, which shoots up to ISO 4.5 million

Video at 400k ISO 50fps:

https://youtu.be/1-HfWCVQsIY?t=182

or Sony alpha A7S II - 4K low-light ISO comparison movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVLBHMbRMW4

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

#42
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> If you still needed a reason to spend money on a compact camera, it would have been for zoom reach, as even the best smartphone cameras could not provide usable zoom image quality beyond a 5x factor. This has now changed with the Huawei P30 Pro and its innovative zoom system that uses folded optics and a super-resolution algorithm, which finally makes usable 10x zoom on smartphones a reality. The zoom on its own wi…

The Tele-Lens in the device actually has 3x zoom only. 10x Zoom is achieved by using software algorithms combining data from a cropped main-camera image and the zoom camera. Such periscope camera-modules are quite popular among chinese device-vendors these days, you can find the same on a few devices from there this year (i.e. Oppo Reno, Vivo).

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

#43
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Great... Except you won't be able to buy one soon... And there won't be any updates.

As long as you can root it and put LineageOS on it we're good.

That's a very good point. If they start making lineageOS-friendly phones because of this whole deal, my next one might be a Huawei .

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignorant question: at what point does the limiting factor for useful zoom become stabilization rather than optics? I looked briefly into ridiculous-zoom-level compacts a while back and consensus seemed to be that while the tech specs look good on paper you're just going to get a blurry mess unless you put it on a tripod, at which point you've lost the main advantage of a compact.

if done properly, software stabilisation can genuinely rival hardware

I find as believable as software zoom can rival optical zoom, do you have some example?

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you can root it and put LineageOS on it we're good.

That's a very good point. If they start making lineageOS-friendly phones because of this whole deal, my next one might be a Huawei .

Except they can't buy half the components they need to make the hardware.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

#46
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you can root it and put LineageOS on it we're good.

Without platform-level support from HiSilicon for the Kirin CPU you won't get that far with community-OS either. And as a wholly owned Huawei subsidiary, HiSilicon is also on that sanction list.

I could imagine they might suddenly become way more open source friendly...

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

#47
post #28

> If you still needed a reason to spend money on a compact camera, it would have been for zoom reach, as even the best smartphone cameras could not provide usable zoom image quality beyond a 5x factor. This has now changed with the Huawei P30 Pro and its innovative zoom system that uses folded optics and a super-resolution algorithm, which finally makes usable 10x zoom on smartphones a reality. The zoom on its own wi…

The Tele-Lens in the device actually has 3x zoom only. 10x Zoom is achieved by using software algorithms combining data from a cropped main-camera image and the zoom camera. Such periscope camera-modules are quite popular among chinese device-vendors these days, you can find the same on a few devices from there this year (i.e. Oppo Reno, Vivo).

Mr. Deckard, you're right. I edited my comment.

For what it's worth, I hope that one day we will have super-resolution photo zoom as good as the one you use every day as a Blade Runner.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

#48

It is crazy how much the quality of the camera's has changed. I haven't looked into DSLR camera's for a few years, since I have one and am not really in the market for one now, but have there been similar advances in that tech? As in, ground breaking higher quality, more compact form factors, etc? You'd imagine if you can get this type of quality from a phone's camera, you'd be able to make truly amazing things happe…

Yes, there have been massive changes in DSLR/mirrorless world. The main ones are: 1) Autofocus. Check out Sony A7 III or A9 reviews, it's absolutely mindblowing. It focuses perfectly and is insanely fast. 2) Low-light sensitivity. You can get a used Sony A7s, which goes to ISO 490,000, and quite usable up to ISO 50K. At its highest ISO and with a relatively cheap f1.4 lens it's much more sensitive than my eyes - it c…

Thanks, great run down. Bad for my wallet in the near to mid future, but great to see the things improve that have a great impact on the usability of a camera.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

#49
post #28

> If you still needed a reason to spend money on a compact camera, it would have been for zoom reach, as even the best smartphone cameras could not provide usable zoom image quality beyond a 5x factor. This has now changed with the Huawei P30 Pro and its innovative zoom system that uses folded optics and a super-resolution algorithm, which finally makes usable 10x zoom on smartphones a reality. The zoom on its own wi…

Sony also used this technique in their credit-card sized compact camera's.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The leap in recent years isn't really in sensor tech so much as in phone manufacturers racing to get the best cameras by increasing the sensor size. E.g. the iPhone5/6 had an image sensor around 15sq mm, and the iPhone XS has a 25sq mm one. This one is over 40sq mm (1/1.7"). The nokia 1020 has a 2/3" sensor (same as the larger compact cameras) which is 58sq mm(!). So while there is are small incremental improvements…

Fujifilm now offers a medium format camera for a price close to the full frame cameras of its competitors (sometimes cheaper).

Good camera tech will keep getting cheaper, but not smaller.
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