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China unveils 600 kph maglev train prototype

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I really wish we had high speed rail in Australia. I'd pick a 600km/h train over a plane any day.

High speed train works well in France (and it's just 300km/h) because the country is small. Australia is huge. And so is the US.

This would make sense along coasts though but you wouldn't be able to cross the country from sea to sea in a few hours of course.

What's good with trains is that you can hop in at the very last moment (when the bell rings, happened to me a couple times) and the train stops in the center of cities, instead of the suburbs. This is the main reason why high speed train in France can compete with airplanes when crossing the country. By plane I must first reach the airport (30 mins), have some time ahead before embarking (30 mins), the flight is 1 hour long but the time to actually take off and pick back your luggages it's almost 2 hours long, and then you have to reach the center of your destination city (30 mins). By my generous estimates, it takes 3h30 to travel by plane North/South in France vs 4 hours by train.

And because currently not every railroad segment can support high speed trains going at full velocity (but work is in progress) it could take 3 hours. 300 km/h

Also note that Amdahl's law [1] applies in this context (there are diminishing returns in optimizing the speed of only one segment of the full path) and travelling the last kilometers accounts for a significant portion of the travel time.

For instance the TGV has to slow down when entering cities (because of the noise) and at some point in the development of the high speed rail network, it might become more interesting to dig long tunnels under cities for these trains rather than increasing the train's maximum speed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law

Re: China unveils 600 kph maglev train prototype

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Naive, irrelevant question. Is kph the correct way to signal "kilometers per hour" in English? I think I have seen this before in videogames maybe. Is it an US-only thing?

It's pretty common in the UK, not as common as mph mind.

That's a weird way to write kilometres per hour.

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post #2

I really wish we had high speed rail in Australia. I'd pick a 600km/h train over a plane any day.

High speed train works well in France (and it's just 300km/h) because the country is small. Australia is huge. And so is the US. This would make sense along coasts though but you wouldn't be able to cross the country from sea to sea in a few hours of course. What's good with trains is that you can hop in at the very last moment (when the bell rings, happened to me a couple times) and the train stops in the center of…

> By plane I must first reach the airport (30 mins), have some time ahead before embarking (30 mins), the flight is 1 hour long but the time to actually take off and pick back your luggages it's almost 2 hours long, and then you have to reach the center of your destination city (30 mins). By my generous estimates, it takes 3h30 to travel by plane North/South in France vs 4 hours

And then there is the inevitable delays before the plane will be allowed to take off and if you're lucky the same before you're allowed to land.

And in NL, if you land on Schiphol if you're particularly unlucky they will land the plane on the 5th strip which is more accurately located in Haarlem and it takes about 15 minutes to taxi to the gate.

Re: China unveils 600 kph maglev train prototype

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I’ve ridden on the Changsha Maglev, China’s first indigenous maglev and I was thoroughly unimpressed. The ride was rough and quite slow, nothing like their High Speed Rail which is world leading. I’m surprised they’d be able to develop world leading technology so quickly. But then again for areas of strategic interest we’ve seen China make similar bounds before. Makes me wonder how their Made in China 2025 efforts in CPU design/production is fairing...

Re: China unveils 600 kph maglev train prototype

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Naive, irrelevant question. Is kph the correct way to signal "kilometers per hour" in English? I think I have seen this before in videogames maybe. Is it an US-only thing?

Either "kph" or "kmph" is a casual, sloppy, but common way, along with abbreviations like "gms" (grams) or "mts" (metres). None of these are unusual in the UK.

The correct way is km/h, or (occasionally, for mathematicians or scientists) km·h⁻¹ or km h⁻¹.

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post #2

I really wish we had high speed rail in Australia. I'd pick a 600km/h train over a plane any day.

High speed train works well in France (and it's just 300km/h) because the country is small. Australia is huge. And so is the US. This would make sense along coasts though but you wouldn't be able to cross the country from sea to sea in a few hours of course. What's good with trains is that you can hop in at the very last moment (when the bell rings, happened to me a couple times) and the train stops in the center of…

And Spain with the AVE and Talgos

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post #6

In three years they developed the technology needed, more likely just ripped off the tech from Siemens on the Shanghai line.

Your sentiment is popular this days with the big propaganda we see but is there any hint that what you say is true, maybe they stole it from other company or maybe in a country with such a large population you will have a large number of smart people.

Re: China unveils 600 kph maglev train prototype

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post #6

In three years they developed the technology needed, more likely just ripped off the tech from Siemens on the Shanghai line.

Relevant, although not exactly the same tech. I believe they lost the subsequent lawsuits even, because, China doesn't really care about IP theft:

http://fortune.com/2013/04/15/did-china-steal-japans-high-sp...

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