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Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by bitL »

divbyzer0 wrote: post #7
BossingAround wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea but no updates for the rest of the world either. What you get with the phone is basically it, no more updates after that. Now that I think about it, the new phones won't probably have GApps in general, so no market store -> no apps (I'm sure there'll be a different market app, like Amazon or someone's, but let's get real, who wants that?)

This will find appeal among those that wish to minimise their interaction with Google. Having a smartphone (access internet, email etc) with camera is appealing, contributing to large surveillance corporations like Google, Facebook etc is not. This will be a tiny minority of potential users.

...and don't mind unwanted interaction with Baidu or whoever installs non-removable services there.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by arihant »

divbyzer0 wrote: post #7
BossingAround wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea but no updates for the rest of the world either. What you get with the phone is basically it, no more updates after that. Now that I think about it, the new phones won't probably have GApps in general, so no market store -> no apps (I'm sure there'll be a different market app, like Amazon or someone's, but let's get real, who wants that?)

This will find appeal among those that wish to minimise their interaction with Google. Having a smartphone (access internet, email etc) with camera is appealing, contributing to large surveillance corporations like Google, Facebook etc is not. This will be a tiny minority of potential users.

This company is facing trouble worldwide because of their likely involvement with Chinese spying. I don’t think this will find any takers among people who are privacy conscious.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by megaremote »

mosselman wrote: post #6

It is crazy how much the quality of the camera's has changed. I haven't looked into DSLR camera's for a few years, since I have one and am not really in the market for one now, but have there been similar advances in that tech? As in, ground breaking higher quality, more compact form factors, etc? You'd imagine if you can get this type of quality from a phone's camera, you'd be able to make truly amazing things happe…

They are no longer R cameras. They have removed the mirror and gotten good results.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by alkonaut »

mosselman wrote: post #6

It is crazy how much the quality of the camera's has changed. I haven't looked into DSLR camera's for a few years, since I have one and am not really in the market for one now, but have there been similar advances in that tech? As in, ground breaking higher quality, more compact form factors, etc? You'd imagine if you can get this type of quality from a phone's camera, you'd be able to make truly amazing things happe…

The leap in recent years isn't really in sensor tech so much as in phone manufacturers racing to get the best cameras by increasing the sensor size. E.g. the iPhone5/6 had an image sensor around 15sq mm, and the iPhone XS has a 25sq mm one. This one is over 40sq mm (1/1.7"). The nokia 1020 has a 2/3" sensor (same as the larger compact cameras) which is 58sq mm(!).

So while there is are small incremental improvements in sensor tech (quantum efficiency, etc), the big development in quality is pure physics. The phones takes as good pictures as compact digitals, because they are now using the same size tech.

Also the picture quality isn't just dependent on the sensor. Better processors can help with autofocus, noise reduction etc, and that obviously helps the end result.

This however will lead to a problem with physics: you can't grow much beyond where it is now, without making the phone much thicker to accomodate a bigger lens, at least not without using exotic thech such as diffractive optics etc. So don't expect the massive gains in image quality over the next 3 years, as in the past 3.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by divbyzer0 »

arihant wrote: post #12
divbyzer0 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will find appeal among those that wish to minimise their interaction with Google. Having a smartphone (access internet, email etc) with camera is appealing, contributing to large surveillance corporations like Google, Facebook etc is not. This will be a tiny minority of potential users.

This company is facing trouble worldwide because of their likely involvement with Chinese spying. I don’t think this will find any takers among people who are privacy conscious.

Those who are privacy conscious prefer to be spied upon by TLAs and surveillance corporations?

To clarify I'm not in favour of one type or another, but it's unlikely China can have any influence over my life.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by 781 »

mosselman wrote: post #6

It is crazy how much the quality of the camera's has changed. I haven't looked into DSLR camera's for a few years, since I have one and am not really in the market for one now, but have there been similar advances in that tech? As in, ground breaking higher quality, more compact form factors, etc? You'd imagine if you can get this type of quality from a phone's camera, you'd be able to make truly amazing things happe…

Well, now you have cameras that can basically shoot in the dark, seeing stuff you can't with your own eyes - Sony A7S II

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by mosselman »

alkonaut wrote: post #14
mosselman wrote: post #6

It is crazy how much the quality of the camera's has changed. I haven't looked into DSLR camera's for a few years, since I have one and am not really in the market for one now, but have there been similar advances in that tech? As in, ground breaking higher quality, more compact form factors, etc? You'd imagine if you can get this type of quality from a phone's camera, you'd be able to make truly amazing things happe…

The leap in recent years isn't really in sensor tech so much as in phone manufacturers racing to get the best cameras by increasing the sensor size. E.g. the iPhone5/6 had an image sensor around 15sq mm, and the iPhone XS has a 25sq mm one. This one is over 40sq mm (1/1.7"). The nokia 1020 has a 2/3" sensor (same as the larger compact cameras) which is 58sq mm(!). So while there is are small incremental improvements…

Thank you for the clarification.

> Better processors can help with autofocus, noise reduction etc, and that obviously helps the end result.

These processors could be put into bigger camera's too I imagine.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by mosselman »

bitL wrote: post #10
mosselman wrote: post #6

It is crazy how much the quality of the camera's has changed. I haven't looked into DSLR camera's for a few years, since I have one and am not really in the market for one now, but have there been similar advances in that tech? As in, ground breaking higher quality, more compact form factors, etc? You'd imagine if you can get this type of quality from a phone's camera, you'd be able to make truly amazing things happe…

Low-light performance is now phenomenal due to better quantum efficiency as they are now using some older CPU manufacturing process tech, and small full-frame mirror-less cameras have almost perfect autofocus now.

Thanks. I might look into replacing my Nikon D5000 at some point. Low-light photography is one of the only things that I sometimes wish it could do better.

Re: Huawei P30 Pro camera review

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Post by chvid »

teknologist wrote: post #5
BossingAround wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea but no updates for the rest of the world either. What you get with the phone is basically it, no more updates after that. Now that I think about it, the new phones won't probably have GApps in general, so no market store -> no apps (I'm sure there'll be a different market app, like Amazon or someone's, but let's get real, who wants that?)

It'll be easy for them to ship UnGoogled Android because that's what Huawei (and other manufacturers) use on their phones in China. Demand, however, is another story...

I would buy an ungoogled android phone - in particular with those specs and price to value ratio.

If they are clever they make a version of the required services hosted in Europe and under European law. Many many people would buy that.

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