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Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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Neat. I mean, I don't understand the mathspeak since I stopped taking math after calculus in college, but it's neat to see fun approaches turn into viable tactics for finding a solution.

By coincidence I toyed with the problem a bit this past week. Pretty difficult to tackle with a "basic" math toolbox (calc, trig, algebra, and some discrete math/number theory that's taught in many CS undergrad curricula). Much like Fermat's Last Theorem, it seems like this might require much higher-level math to solve what seems like a simple problem.

Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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post #2

Neat. I mean, I don't understand the mathspeak since I stopped taking math after calculus in college, but it's neat to see fun approaches turn into viable tactics for finding a solution. By coincidence I toyed with the problem a bit this past week. Pretty difficult to tackle with a "basic" math toolbox (calc, trig, algebra, and some discrete math/number theory that's taught in many CS undergrad curricula). Much like…

Oh really? :-D

Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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Neat. I mean, I don't understand the mathspeak since I stopped taking math after calculus in college, but it's neat to see fun approaches turn into viable tactics for finding a solution. By coincidence I toyed with the problem a bit this past week. Pretty difficult to tackle with a "basic" math toolbox (calc, trig, algebra, and some discrete math/number theory that's taught in many CS undergrad curricula). Much like…

no shit sherlock !

Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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Neat. I mean, I don't understand the mathspeak since I stopped taking math after calculus in college, but it's neat to see fun approaches turn into viable tactics for finding a solution. By coincidence I toyed with the problem a bit this past week. Pretty difficult to tackle with a "basic" math toolbox (calc, trig, algebra, and some discrete math/number theory that's taught in many CS undergrad curricula). Much like…

Man HR is harsh as hell. While yes, if a proof of RH is found it will probably use advanced tools, ever finding a proof with elementary tools is not totally out of the question. Regarding the Prime Number Theorem, which can be seen as a baby version of RH, experts in the field such as Hardy have been quoted as saying elementary proofs would not exist. Then 50 years after Hadamard and Poussin found the original proofs, Selberg and Erdos published proofs based on elementary methods. No one can say that it's worthless for someone to try the same for RH.

Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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post #2

Neat. I mean, I don't understand the mathspeak since I stopped taking math after calculus in college, but it's neat to see fun approaches turn into viable tactics for finding a solution. By coincidence I toyed with the problem a bit this past week. Pretty difficult to tackle with a "basic" math toolbox (calc, trig, algebra, and some discrete math/number theory that's taught in many CS undergrad curricula). Much like…

Man HR is harsh as hell. While yes, if a proof of RH is found it will probably use advanced tools, ever finding a proof with elementary tools is not totally out of the question. Regarding the Prime Number Theorem, which can be seen as a baby version of RH, experts in the field such as Hardy have been quoted as saying elementary proofs would not exist. Then 50 years after Hadamard and Poussin found the original proofs…

Notice also the decidability of primality in polynomial time, which was proved by some Computer Science graduates (Neeraj Kayal, and Nitin Saxena) in 2011, and led Bombieri (one of the leading experts on Number Theory) to say that Number Theory may have gone astray in theoretical complexity in some fields.

Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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Nice detailed lectures on RH along with a suggested proof is here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRsxymPrOKUAk3eXhK9FZ...

I have looked at Eswaran's paper that purports to prove RH and I'm pretty sure it's all wrong. (Currently-latest version of paper is here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06971v10.pdf)

The basic idea is to prove that a certain function L(N) doesn't grow too quickly. It's true that appropriate bounds on L(N) imply RH.

But Eswaran's arguments for this point are full of handwaving, and in this field handwaving is just not good enough. L(N) is a sum of terms +1 and -1, and he claims that it behaves like a series of coin tosses, but the specific ways he argues it's like a series of coin tosses are not enough for the conclusion he needs.

E.g., in section 5, on page 13, he states a theorem which says: you can pair up the +1 and -1 terms in that series, so that for each +1 there's a -1 and for each -1 there's a +1. This is certainly true, but it doesn't imply that the series is random-like or that the partial sums L(N) don't grow much faster than sqrt(N) (which is the condition he needs). E.g., consider the series that goes ++-++-++-++-++-++- etc., whose partial sums obviously grow like N/3. This satisfies that "pairing" condition just fine. (Pair the first + with the first -, the second + with the second -, etc. There are infinitely many of both, which is all you need to make that work.)

In appendix V, he tries a different approach. (The fact that he gives two different "proofs" of the same key result, and both are handwavy, is a Very Bad Sign.) There's lots here that looks wrong, but here's one thing: he claims to prove that if |L(N)| ~ N^a for some a then we must have a=1/2, and having given his proof he claims to have proved that in fact |L(N)| ~ N^1/2. But these are very different propositions. Another possibility is that we don't have |L(N)| ~ N^a for any a at all, which in fact is true because it's known that infinitely often |L(N)|=sqrt(N).

The lectures appear to be about his alleged proof rather than about RH in general. In any case, I would not trust someone capable of making the errors in his RH paper to teach any research-level material in pure mathematics.

Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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Neat. I mean, I don't understand the mathspeak since I stopped taking math after calculus in college, but it's neat to see fun approaches turn into viable tactics for finding a solution. By coincidence I toyed with the problem a bit this past week. Pretty difficult to tackle with a "basic" math toolbox (calc, trig, algebra, and some discrete math/number theory that's taught in many CS undergrad curricula). Much like…

Man HR is harsh as hell. While yes, if a proof of RH is found it will probably use advanced tools, ever finding a proof with elementary tools is not totally out of the question. Regarding the Prime Number Theorem, which can be seen as a baby version of RH, experts in the field such as Hardy have been quoted as saying elementary proofs would not exist. Then 50 years after Hadamard and Poussin found the original proofs…

I've taken math up to calculus and linear algebra and enjoy watching 3B1B proofs. Is that enough to follow the elementary Prime Number Theorem proof? I've been interested in understanding that for a while. Any good links?

Re: Mathematicians revive abandoned approach to the Riemann Hypothesis

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Neat. I mean, I don't understand the mathspeak since I stopped taking math after calculus in college, but it's neat to see fun approaches turn into viable tactics for finding a solution. By coincidence I toyed with the problem a bit this past week. Pretty difficult to tackle with a "basic" math toolbox (calc, trig, algebra, and some discrete math/number theory that's taught in many CS undergrad curricula). Much like…

Oh really? :-D

Well, parent tried to understand the problem, used the tools at his hand to solve it without preconceptions, and realized it was more complex that it seemed.

The world would be a better place if more people had the same approach to problem-solving, IMHO.

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