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Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Unpopular opinion, but they aren't that far off with regards to academia. Academia has little scientific agenda at its core—most things boil down to money. If you want to make a case for your idea on any topic, put money on that topic and professors and researchers work towards making a case for it (this is less true about math and (maybe?) physics but the farther you get from those topics, the more impact money has…

> Academia has little scientific agenda at its core—most things boil down to money. It's like you're right, but completely wrong at the same time... At it's core, scientific research should not have an agenda. Researchers are normally happy to do important things and they have good ideas. Yes, the funding is a really big issue and lack of needed followups to interesting results of the initial sponsor often happens wh…

You are assuming that everybody in this system is honest: researchers, funders, and companies. None of these entities need to be honest to do research or to come up with topics. This is a big fallacy with academic research: nobody needs to be honest or truthful, and as much as you like to believe they are, they have no reason to be honest. I have experienced this first hand during my PhD life.

> Researchers are normally happy to do important things and they have good ideas.

That's not how research works, however---at least not what I experienced. Usually a goal is the prerequisite of the funding. If that goal doesn't align up with the interest of the company/or the funder, there won't be any funding to begin with. That's a lie that researchers tell themselves, that they have the freedom to work on w/e they find amusing.

> Academia being driven by money has less to do with academia and more with lack of money it needs to work on independent research.

Sure. If academia was a utopia that wasn't so dependent on money (and fame), science would take over. That utopia isn't anywhere in sight, however. Try going through academic job market: a popular question you get is how you are going to bring money into the university. If you don't have a good answer, you won't get a position. As a professor, you will be spending 80%+ of your time writing grants or, as you put it, begging different companies for money. The other 20% is spent on classes and bureaucratic headaches. A good professor that I knew had a long rant on how she never gets to do research anymore (from a very well known university).

People twist words and data to make their point, get a publication, make a name for themselves, get more money, and repeat the cycle, all in the name of research and science.

My point isn't that the academic people as a whole are bad, but many of them are trying to survive and are willing to do w/e it takes to bring in money. It is very easy to abuse the bunch when people are trying to survive.

All I am suggesting is that you need to be critical when reading academic papers. Regardless of the content, topic, etc. read and decide for yourself---if it is a field that you are proficient in---or read opinions on counter points.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Two things stand out to me as startling/interesting. First, CrossFit is sort of presenting FB as a public health threat. Obviously it is, but I don’t hear a lot of entities make that argument. Second, CrossFit is doing a role reversal, saying that they will place FB under review, they will decide if FB is an appropriate platform for them. In a way, they’re assuming a dominating position (yes everyone knows FB is bigg…

It is hard to say whether FB or CrossFit has more influence in this situation.

I have friends on FB who are fanatical about CrossFit. They write and post photos about workouts, events, and achievements. They seem to have limited use for FB otherwise.

With their sizable national (and increasingly global) community of dedicated fitness enthusiasts, I suspect CrossFit has better-than-even odds of launching a wildly successful sports-and-fitness-oriented social network. They would be able to instantly attract a large member base, have a presence in every metropolitan area, and those people would recruit their friends onto the network.

Edit to add: from what I can tell, CrossFit is a social network already. Except its a real-life network with people who spend a lot of time together.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Wow I had heard Crossfit was a bit of an obsession for some people and a quirky approach to fitness, but I had no idea their official spiel was this level of paranoia - attacking academia as an unholy alliance of the establishment? > The voluntary CrossFit community of 15,000 affiliates and millions of individual adherents stands steadfastly and often alone against an unholy alliance of academia, government, and mult…

No opinion on CrossFit, but if you've ever worked in Academia you realize that it's more of a cult and spreader of misinformation than any other establishment. Not always on purpose, but that doesn't matter.

Without more context this is just FUD

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Citation? Snort. Let me know when they figure out whether or not eggs are going to kill me.

If you need someone to tell you whether eggs are going to kill you, then you are beyond help. What you are complaining about is not academia, but the reporting on academia. Most institutions hardly even blink when a study about the health benefits/detriments of eggs, coffee, or the like is published. You’d change my mind, perhaps, if you told me that you actually followed multiple scientific journals.

Sounds like you're saying the nutritional researchers do have their story straight on this and countless other issues, but just aren't communicating it well.

But if the researchers don't communicate effectively with the rest of us, or with our physicians, then why do they even bother going to work in the morning? It's not my job to read scientific journals, and the doctors are as confused by the barrage of junk science as anyone else.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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It is not disingenuous. Many crossfit exercises are complex as you correctly observe and require a good bit of practice before you can do them w/ any substantial weight. A layman should not do them w/out instruction and a good coach will not let laymen do regular workouts until they have mastered the basics. A good coach also observes a new student's abilities and advises them how to scale the movement properly as th…

I did CrossFit for 5 years and a shoulder surgery and visited about 30 gyms during that time. What you’re saying isn’t disingenuous but it’s thoroughly idealized and unrealistic. Workouts with high volumes of technical movements are regularly programmed. RFT workouts with 60 snatches. High volumes of kipping pull-ups. Form goes to shit when you get tired, period, whether you are running or snatching, but being on a c…

I agree w/ you on both the snatches and the kipping pullups. they both have too high a risk to reward imo.

i also agree that many coaches are terrible.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Uh this is typical cultish reaction to being called out: accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. I'd like to remind everyone here, in case you are considering crossfit, that several years ago they caused a rash of cases of rhabdomyolysis. So in response they created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fat…

Been doing Crossfit since December.

Had to sign a pretty sensible waiver upon joining.

There was a section describing the symptoms of rhabdo, letting me know in NO uncertain terms that it was a potentially fatal medical emergency. Honestly, I'd never heard of it before reading that waiver. Rather than encouraging me to experience rhabo, Crossfit gave me some crucial warnings there!

Safety's a big deal at the Crossfit gym I go to. I'm out of shape and the instructors pay special attention (and suggest reduced/modified versions of exercises) to make things work for me.

    "There is a lively online community posting selfies 
    from hospital and who consider a rhabdo diagnosis as 
    a badge of honour, showing their dedication to exercise." 
Erm, ah, that's hard to say. While I'd certainly agree that intentionally injuring yourself is utterly insane, I'm not sure that'd be my interpretation of any of this. Like many hobbies and professions, athletes engage in shop talk that borders on gallows humor.

Imagine two violin students comparing their painful callouses. Or software engineers exchanging horror stories about late-night debugging battles with Internet Explorer 6 or talking about screwups where they accidentally deleted some live data. Or firefighters comparing all the scars they've accumulated over the years.

Athletes are no different. Shit happens, sometimes you get hurt and then you laugh about it because it's all part of the journey. That's how you get through it. Screwed up my ankle playing tennis the other week. First thing I did was share it with my fellow tennis buds. We help each other and share the pain and laugh.

I don't want to stereotype Hacker News readers, because a lot of engineer-types do enjoy sports and exercise, but I would imagine there are a lot of HN readers who would have a hard time understanding athletes laughing about their injuries since they've never been there. Just like a pro football player might not be able to understand how/why HN readers willingly spend those late nights hunched over a keyboard. For those of us who straddle both worlds, it's kind of funny, because we know the folks living in those worlds aren't nearly as different from their counterparts as they think they are.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Uh this is typical cultish reaction to being called out: accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. I'd like to remind everyone here, in case you are considering crossfit, that several years ago they caused a rash of cases of rhabdomyolysis. So in response they created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fat…

While many aspects of CrossFit are bad (well mainly doing weight lifting against time constraint) there is nothing special about CrossFit that causes rhabdomyolysis. As long as you listen to your body and don't start by pressing gas peddle straight to floor it is fine.

I do not actively participate in CrossFit, but sometimes I add some CrossFit-like sets into my training.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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> “millions of individual adherents“ Is Crossfit a cult? At first I thought the article was a parody or something

It has become a cult. I personally have no problem with people lifting and motivating each other and CrossFit was originally quite good, especially the competitive athletes. But now a days it’s become a huge cult where it’s all about people motivating each other to see how many reps of a certain exercise a person can do while completely throwing the form out of the window. Couple of my friends are in sports medicine…

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Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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post #92

Two things stand out to me as startling/interesting. First, CrossFit is sort of presenting FB as a public health threat. Obviously it is, but I don’t hear a lot of entities make that argument. Second, CrossFit is doing a role reversal, saying that they will place FB under review, they will decide if FB is an appropriate platform for them. In a way, they’re assuming a dominating position (yes everyone knows FB is bigg…

It is hard to say whether FB or CrossFit has more influence in this situation. I have friends on FB who are fanatical about CrossFit. They write and post photos about workouts, events, and achievements. They seem to have limited use for FB otherwise. With their sizable national (and increasingly global) community of dedicated fitness enthusiasts, I suspect CrossFit has better-than-even odds of launching a wildly succ…

CorssFit isnt a social network, its a cult. Ive had multiple friends join the cult, including one friend whos wife divorced him because he didnt share her love of CrossFit. The end result was always the same - chronic injuries usually only seen in professional sports people -> move to multi-level-marketing / influencing for any product linked to fitness / inspirational pr0n.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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post #48

Uh this is typical cultish reaction to being called out: accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. I'd like to remind everyone here, in case you are considering crossfit, that several years ago they caused a rash of cases of rhabdomyolysis. So in response they created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fat…

First rule of crossfit is you always talk about crossfit.
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