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YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

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Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#161
I have been banging on about this sort of thing for ages

http://oss4gov.org/manifesto

I have come to the conclusion that commercial offerings in the government space are just fucking over the taxpayer and should be replaced by open source services maintained in specific ways

- OSS for gov should be seen as a pro bono "year out" for professionals on their journeyman year

- OSS needs to be funded at government level for development and for ops separately. Something like a kickstarter / auction for features and for support

- this oss suite gets to become well known and cross supported - because so many small companies work on it they can become a matrix like support network - no worries that there is not a single huge supplier "supporting" their crap source, here comes a "Guardians of the Galaxy" web of small ships all able to pick up the load from another because they all know this big code base

- This is partly "let's bring our government into the digital age, but more importantly its "let's bring all governments" - including those not so democratic. Look at how the GDPR just made itself the default. Now think of every small interaction with government being designed with individual agency in mind. this is potentially the biggest act of cultural "laying down of rails" since the Napoleonic code. Shall Western democracy do it?

- remember "developer hegemony" - this is where such firms would do well

Any way - bed time so not well put but it all popped into my head so wanted to share

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#162
I have been working a project to create a place where youth can exhibit their writing talents outside of the standard educational system. Exceptional students exist in all schools, but in districts like Oakland, their work never gets visibility. We Write Here (http://wewritehere.com) aims to fix that.

Student created content has way more relevance than what the government can mandate. Eventually, we will expand beyond writing. I was a K-12 teacher for the past 10 years, and know this to be a critical need. I have been building this for the past 6 months, and we have gotten 200+ submission, and published and awarded 25+ amazing students.

Does this fit under Government 2.0? Even otherwise, would love to hear what the community feels about it.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

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post #91

A startup working on a secure digital voting system should be one of the top priorities here. As it currently stands, this is what the voting experience is like: - Always on a weekday, so if you have a job and then a family to take care of after work, good luck finding time. - Long lines, so that even those who find time are discouraged by standing around in November weather. - The countless cases of voting locations…

IMO there's no such thing as a secure digital voting system. Complexity is how vulnerabilities and exploits get into in-use systems. You want things as simple and obvious as possible, and that means using and counting physical objects of some sort. After all, it's much easier to notice a hundred thousand pieces of paper getting added to the vote-counting system than flipping some bits that represent a hundred thousan…

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Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

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post #107
post #22

I have to confess, this effort makes me very, very nervous. I already think that business has replaced too much of what government should be doing, and has too much influence over what it hasn't replaced. Also, given the activities coming from the tech industry over the last decade or more, I'm even more nervous that this is aimed in that direction. Increasing the amount of that doesn't seem wise to me.

Bleah - government shouldn't be the default actor in a space unless it's absolutely necessary. It's actually a good thing if community problems can be solved by smaller organizations which don't need tax money or coercive measures to get things done.

> need tax money or coercive measures to get things done.

But those are pretty much all the remaining hard problems! If it was self-funding and didn't have any opposition, someone would be able to solve it.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#165
post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's actually a good thing if community problems can be solved by smaller organizations As long as those organizations are not for-profit companies.

That’s not true. If an organization benefits its customers/users in some way, it’s still doing a good thing if it captures some of that benefit in the form of profit.

Maybe. My observation, though, is that whatever good thing it may be doing ends up costing people more, and being less good, when done by a for-profit company as opposed to a non-profit organization.

Plus it is becoming increasingly risky to engage with for-profit companies for certain things because of their insatiable desire for data on their customers.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#166
> 57% of Americans believe that children in America today will be worse off financially than their parents.

I cannot seem to find this in the linked survey( seems to link to some methodology about us-german relations). Can someone help me find it. only google hit for this is this YC article.

> We believe this mindset is the result of increased family debt, stagnant wages, and a lack of government commitment to provide equal access to the basic services families need to thrive.

What is the basis of this guess?

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#167
post #107
post #22

I have to confess, this effort makes me very, very nervous. I already think that business has replaced too much of what government should be doing, and has too much influence over what it hasn't replaced. Also, given the activities coming from the tech industry over the last decade or more, I'm even more nervous that this is aimed in that direction. Increasing the amount of that doesn't seem wise to me.

Bleah - government shouldn't be the default actor in a space unless it's absolutely necessary. It's actually a good thing if community problems can be solved by smaller organizations which don't need tax money or coercive measures to get things done.

I disagree with this.

There are many spaces that can be maintained either publicly or privately that when privatized don't always result in the best outcomes for consumers. A good example are private utilities.

I had a relative that sold his house in a municipality in east Texas and moved to a new development in central Texas. He intentionally chose a house just outside the nearest municipality to avoid paying local taxes. It all seemed great until he got his first water bill from the private water company, only to find that his water bill was astronomically higher (2.5-3x more). His other private utilities were a little higher than what he paid previously, but he was particularly upset about the water.

The water company isn't some multinational corporation, but they have a profit incentive, zero competition, and they control the water infrastructure, so the community there doesn't have much leverage in that scenario.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#168
post #91

A startup working on a secure digital voting system should be one of the top priorities here. As it currently stands, this is what the voting experience is like: - Always on a weekday, so if you have a job and then a family to take care of after work, good luck finding time. - Long lines, so that even those who find time are discouraged by standing around in November weather. - The countless cases of voting locations…

I am exceedingly skeptical about digital voting systems being adequately secure.

But the problems that you cite can be resolved without them in a number of different ways anyway. Vote by mail, for instance, or even making "election day" 24 hours long and a national holiday.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#169
Love the debate on this thread whether startups can't meaningfully tackle deep societal problems.

We are the working on building a free universal basic safety net for all: https://betterbank.app/

Essentially it's a checking account+insurance policy, bank with us and if you ever got hurt we will pay upto $5k in cash…use it for out-of-pocket expenses+ lost wages. It's free because we make money from debit interchange, targeted at either uninsured young folks who find obamacare to be too expensive or families with high deductibles.

Do we qualify as a profit minded start also doing good? If not, are there any other models out there

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#170
post #5

In Andrew Yang's recent panel at Monetery Tech Summit, he was making the case that most of these are problems that the free market doesn't reward solving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhNpbPhFwRc&t=957 These are all important problems, but there have been people working on them for decades already without much progress. What we really need is for either government to tackle these problems itself, or else to put in…

I agree - it would be great for the government to tackle these problems. But looking at the current US government that doesn't look likely. I agree it feels almost impossible for a startup to actually fix some of these problems. But we fund startups who try to do the almost impossible all the time. And sometimes they succeed :)

I guess a lot of blowback is coming from the fact that you decided to call it Government 2.0. It seems a bit presumptuous, guilty of the same hyperbole tech is always accused of...changing the world etc...but at the same time it's a title I would click on. It's outrageous, but serves a purpose
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