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YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

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#101
I think the key to improving the US government is to bring the system closer to a one person, one vote situation. I believe the best way to achieve this would be to do the following: 1) Abolish the electoral college and go with the popular vote for the presidency. 2) Weight a senator's vote by the population of their state. So a senator from California would have more voting power than a senator from Alaska. 3) Draw congressional districts via an "I cut, you choose" type system [1]

Our current system has a number of problems. Swing states in presidential elections become the focus of presidential candidates and their platforms, even though those states are not home to the majority of the US population. Also, our current system creates weak links in the chain that are easier to exploit. For example, if you are a corporation looking to block legislation the most efficient means of doing so would be to contribute to the campaigns of the senators from smaller states. The average amount raised in 2012 by senate winners in California was $29.3M vs just $1.7M in Utah. It is much less expensive to influence smaller senate races, but the voting power a corporation would influence is the same. [2] If senate voting power was weighted by population, corporations or other groups would have to influence costlier senate races.

[1] https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2017/november/i-cu... [2] https://dposorio.com/822/the-cost-of-winning-a-senate-race/

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#102
post #4

If anybody is planning anything that combines laws, versioning/revision control and public access to legal resources, please get in touch with me. I have quite a bit of experience in that field that I'll be happy to share thoughts and talk shop.

You should write a blog post / do a podcast / similar! I'm very interested, but I'm betting that lots of people are as well.

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post #28

The solution to income inequality is not going to come from venture capitalists and private companies. I have an idea for a non-profit that tackles a systemic problem, but I can't help but look at some of the other yc grads and think that their companies seem hopelessly out of touch with the problems they're trying to tackle. Promise is mentioned as "tackling mass incarceration", but their company seems geared more t…

> It's ridiculous to suggest that an app that sends reminders of court dates will make an impact on any of these problems. I listened to a podcast with the founder. She was impressive. In terms of the impact of reminders, you'd be surprised. One of the student loan guarantors tried a model where they were paid more if they kept people paying their loans. Their program was very successful with just well-timed reminder…

Not surprising that she was impressive. I’d argue that’s the biggest trait being a founder selects for.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

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post #28

The solution to income inequality is not going to come from venture capitalists and private companies. I have an idea for a non-profit that tackles a systemic problem, but I can't help but look at some of the other yc grads and think that their companies seem hopelessly out of touch with the problems they're trying to tackle. Promise is mentioned as "tackling mass incarceration", but their company seems geared more t…

You think YC/VC's are searching for a solution to income inequality? Check @pg's twitter feed... The government is already stricken with profit-seekers extracting value from the public. SV wants its piece too. And it will, if it can make VC money out-impact the status quo of entrenched lobby money.

I'd say most VC's are probably very interested in solutions for income inequality.

In the direction of getting their net worth equal to Bezos that is. In the other direction not so much perhaps.

But really what is people's obsession with "income inequality"?

Ya, the rich shouldn't run governments or be able to evade laws or abuse the poor (which is why we have governments who also perhaps should do more to care for the disadvanted), but other than that, if you have 10 dollars and I have one dollar it's preferable to both of us having 50 cents. I just don't get the obsession with "equality". Seems counterproductive. I truly am just confused by the obsession with it.

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#105
Income equality is not a problem as such. It's a natural consequence of technology seeping more and more into society. In Shakespearean times all musicians made money by performing. The best ones performed for the king and made more money but all made money. With digital distribution, the best ones can reach everyone, and everyone wants to listen to only the best ones, so the best ones make a killing and other musicians turn into starving artists. There is going to have to be a transition of people into professions that aren't easily distributable or automatable. You don't need a startup to fix this. This is precisely what capitalism is good at doing, though it does take time, creates winners and losers and causes some segments of society a lot of short term pain.

The big problem is that if you take into account all capital invested in the financial industry, so investments in VCs, hedge funds, mutual funds but also deposits in banks, financial firms have been a) generating lower rates of return and b) passing a smaller percentage of those returns to investors. Banks in the US keep/spend 60-70% of returns generated on all capital invested with them. In Europe it's actually worse, about 90%. Couple this with the fact that the middle class doesn't have access to and doesn't know how to do due diligence on investments that generate higher returns (the better hedge funds and VCs) and that policy makers have held rates extremely low for a very long time, and you have we are now.

Even though people are not making a lot less from employment, their total income (including returns on saved and invested capital) and net worth is MUCH lower on a relative basis and it's clear that their children are likely going to be worse off than them and they may not have a retirement. This in my opinion is likely the cause of the appeal of Trump.

Both problems a) and b) mentioned above are not because the financial industry is evil. It's because large parts of the industry, particularly the parts that serve retail investors and depositors are obsolete in how they are structured, for example the very idea of a mutual fund (including ETF) or indeed any vehicle that pools capital, except in situations where material capacity constraints exist, is obsolete because unlike in the 1950s where pooling capital reduced transactions costs, it now dramatically increases transactions costs and hence lowers returns.

The industry won't fix it itself because the best and most innovative people working in areas serving retail get pulled into areas that can charge 2 and 20 and because doing so means they compete with their own most profitable businesses. Most extant fintechs won't fix this because putting an API or web-page in front of extant products doesn't solve the underlying problems.

I don't think the typical VC funded startup will fix this because there is an extreme focus on going to market immediately and then iterating. If that's your approach you are going to end up building a web front end to Vanguard or an API to ACH and focus on marketing. Decent returns to VCs but you don't actually fix anything or approach anywhere near the returns possible with a higher risk approach. Extreme immediate focus on iterating is great if you are a 20 year old who hasn't built anything yet. I don't think it works all that well if you have a couple decades of industry experience, know what to build because you are likely your own most finicky customer.

Full disclosure, I am working on fixing this. We (at different firms) built systems that essentially took the US equity market electronic and early HFT systems. That in some ways was a much simpler problem but it still took us 2 years of building and testing with our then employer's capital, essentially serving as our own clients, before we went to our first external customer. We are following the same process now, essentially coming up with a different way of structuring our client's relationship to us, dealing with the regulatory headaches that come from that, and developing novel algorithms to handle investing for retail clients. If you are interested in this sort of thing, can program well, love data science but understand that even when doing something exciting you will spend 70-80% of your time munging data, get in touch.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When non-profits succeed they have to ask for more money. When for-profits succeed, they fund themselves. So it's far better for a for-profit to solve a given problem than a non-profit, as they are inherently more scalable.

>When non-profits succeed they have to ask for more money. That's not true at all. I worked for 3 years on a non-profit that funded itself and it received external donations and investments. This is not "either self-funding or external-funding". The whole idea of a nonprofit is that instead of sharing the surplus of revenues between shareholders, leaders or members, it will invest the surplus further into the company…

I think it's more about aligning incentives with investors. Money put into a non-profit is a full write-off and so can really only have altruistic motivations. For-profit allows for investments that are motivated by a mixture of altruism and self-interest, which (for better or worse) allows for a much larger supply of capital.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#107
post #22

I have to confess, this effort makes me very, very nervous. I already think that business has replaced too much of what government should be doing, and has too much influence over what it hasn't replaced. Also, given the activities coming from the tech industry over the last decade or more, I'm even more nervous that this is aimed in that direction. Increasing the amount of that doesn't seem wise to me.

Bleah - government shouldn't be the default actor in a space unless it's absolutely necessary. It's actually a good thing if community problems can be solved by smaller organizations which don't need tax money or coercive measures to get things done.

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#108
post #91

A startup working on a secure digital voting system should be one of the top priorities here. As it currently stands, this is what the voting experience is like: - Always on a weekday, so if you have a job and then a family to take care of after work, good luck finding time. - Long lines, so that even those who find time are discouraged by standing around in November weather. - The countless cases of voting locations…

Ideally, yes, but there are so. many. things. that could go wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI

From silent malware changing votes on voter's machines, to an authoritarians manipulating the servers, to inability to verify what is actually run on the servers, to hacking of air-gapped servers like Stuxnet did, etc. etc.

Perhaps a smart contract on a publicly verifiable blockchain could alleviate the black box concerns. Privacy issues remain. Most democracies see it as absolutely vital for the population not to disclose who they voted for, so whatever smart contract we come up with, it has to be blockchain analysis-proof.

Re: YC's request for startups: Government 2.0

#109
post #12

Who needs public services when you can have private for-profit start-ups? I'm sure the new startups will always prioritize serving the citizens over making money. After all, that's what private for-profit organizations have a long track record of doing. In seriousness: I'm sure the listed start ups do good work. There are ways tech can help government and people. Government 2.0 is awful branding. The idea that you ca…

There's definitely some room for nuance though. Government's actions are constrained by a massive aversion to risk. I think in some areas there's definitely opportunity for private companies to provide services cheaper/better than they currently are while still having room for profit. Also, contracting out to private entities gives people someone to sue (without leaving the taxpayers on the hook) and the government s…

I agree with you that there is room for nuance. I do not think the government should be all consuming.

Most of the topics listed in the blog post fall under social safety net.

"...a lack of government commitment to provide equal access to the basic services families need to thrive. These services include access to quality education, affordable housing/healthcare/food, physical safety, accurate news and information, a social safety net, and a livable environment.

We believe that a new generation of technology startups are emerging who will start to address these needs"

They explicitly state they are looking for startups to address social safety net needs. That is what I am criticizing.

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