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Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Thu, May 23, 2019, 3:59 PM UTC

tathougies wrote: post #158

simion314 wrote: post #79

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You could pay researchers with money from taxes, then you will get more research into important problems and less into rich people concerns like baldness and beauty creams. Mathematicians,physicists also do a lot of research and they do not ask you to pay them to use their findings.

> Mathematicians,physicists also do a lot of research and they do not ask you to pay them to use their findings. What? of course they do. The moment a physical reaction or process is applied to industry, you can bet someone will file a patent. At engineering school, it is common for professors, students, etc, to patent technology they invent. Colleges have entire departments.

... which is an unfortunate example of privatization of a public good. The public pays for research, and an individual captures the profits.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by tathougies » Thu, May 23, 2019, 5:19 PM UTC

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #251

tathougies wrote: post #158

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> Mathematicians,physicists also do a lot of research and they do not ask you to pay them to use their findings. What? of course they do. The moment a physical reaction or process is applied to industry, you can bet someone will file a patent. At engineering school, it is common for professors, students, etc, to patent technology they invent. Colleges have entire departments.

... which is an unfortunate example of privatization of a public good. The public pays for research, and an individual captures the profits.

Not all research is publicly funded. Historically speaking, most of it was not, until relatively recently. I don't disagree that publicly funded research should be public, but I think applying that universally to say that all patents are evil is rather strong and leaves no room for private investment.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by Fjolsvith » Thu, May 23, 2019, 9:15 PM UTC

AsyncAwait wrote: post #230

i_am_proteus wrote: post #193

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By this logic, one could justify chattel slavery in a modern country with an agrarian economy because that was US practice in 1787.

Yes, because saying that every rapidly developing country does IP theft as a way to speed up development, including the U.S., is exactly comparable. But if you do want to run with something as ridiculous, the U.S. holds the largest prison population on the planet and effectively forces them to do labor at a criminal hourly rate, you could say that's not as far from slavery as many would like to think.

Don't overlook that all those criminals didn't become criminals involuntarily, like the slaves did.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Thu, May 23, 2019, 9:18 PM UTC

tathougies wrote: post #252

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #251

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... which is an unfortunate example of privatization of a public good. The public pays for research, and an individual captures the profits.

Not all research is publicly funded. Historically speaking, most of it was not, until relatively recently. I don't disagree that publicly funded research should be public, but I think applying that universally to say that all patents are evil is rather strong and leaves no room for private investment.

"Relatively recently" here means pre-WWII. Basic research has been heavily reliant on government funding for decades. Before that, basic research was on a much smaller scale.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by yogthos » Fri, May 24, 2019, 12:11 AM UTC

teddyh wrote: post #215

thkim wrote: post #75

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This is a naive thinking. Advances in software industry are purely intellectual so it doesn't involve heavy cost, which is why open source idea can work and be argued that it promotes innovation. Say you are a pharmaceutical company developing a new drug, investing billions of dollars. If there is no IP, why do it? You need to wake up to reality.

This is far too big an issue to get into in this very limited forum, but suffice it to say the question is not as cut and dry as you appear to think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_copyright

It really is. Hoarding knowledge is harmful to humanity as a whole. Period.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by AsyncAwait » Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:39 AM UTC

Fjolsvith wrote: post #253

AsyncAwait wrote: post #230

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Yes, because saying that every rapidly developing country does IP theft as a way to speed up development, including the U.S., is exactly comparable. But if you do want to run with something as ridiculous, the U.S. holds the largest prison population on the planet and effectively forces them to do labor at a criminal hourly rate, you could say that's not as far from slavery as many would like to think.

Don't overlook that all those criminals didn't become criminals involuntarily, like the slaves did.

Sure, am not suggesting it's exactly the same, not even close. But the treatment they get in prison, the fact that minorities are locked up at an alarming rate for drug possession, (not even distribution), the fact that they're used effectively as a slave labor force in many places, (laughable daily pay).

Just because somebody's a criminal does not mean they're no longer human and arguably many of these locked up are there for crimes that we're starting to realize perhaps shouldn't be criminalized in the first place.