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Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by zhte415 » Thu, May 23, 2019, 1:43 AM UTC

DCKing wrote: post #161

Zak wrote: post #151

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The EU is trying to assert extraterritorial jurisdiction as well with the GDPR and its like. If all countries start doing this sort of thing with any degree of success, international and online business as we know it won't be possible.

No it doesn't. It only applies if you operate within the EU, and if you do business with (the data of) EU citizens. I'm not sure what else you can reasonably expect there.

EU residents, not EU citizens. An EU citizen resident outside the EU falls outside GDPR, while a non-EU citizen resident in EU falls within.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, May 23, 2019, 5:42 AM UTC

walshemj wrote: post #235

jacquesm wrote: post #219

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VW dates from 1937.

I said "effectively" and no Beatles where built until post world war 2

About 300 were built prior to WW2. Small batches but the design was mostly finished, production was halted because of WW2 and then the Beetle (not Beatle, that's a kind of musician ;)) platform was repurposed to become the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_K%C3%BCbelwagen of which 50K+ were made.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by dang » Thu, May 23, 2019, 7:05 AM UTC

86carr wrote: post #213

jdietrich wrote: post #190

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QR is fast, reliable and incredibly cheap to implement. It scans at a distance, with no significant chance of unintended transactions or MITM attacks. If I'm a roadside snack vendor and want to accept mobile payments, I don't need to buy some sort of NFC widget, I just need to print out a QR code and stick it on my cart. I can send 100rmb to a friend in a couple of seconds, without worrying whether their phone is NFC…

you failed to understand because you didn't pay attention to the context

Would you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? You've done it quite a bit already, and we're trying for better than that here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by bugdd0 » Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:16 AM UTC

sterlind wrote: post #113

zaphar wrote: post #6

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There is one critical difference between America and China here. American companies have for the most part not been engaging in wholesale state sponsored theft of Chinese IP. Whatever you may think of the wisdom of a trade war, no one can really argue that China hasn't given the US all the ammunition it needed to give political cover to engaged in one.

Until now. The US seems to think Huawei poses a national security threat. Huawei seems to have won on 5G, to the point where UK is considering buying Huawei 5G equipment despite tons of pressure. Therefore, stealing the IP would be a national security priority. I'd bet dollars to donuts the NSA is trying to steal Huawei's 5G IP right now, though it'll be hard since they can't easily tap within China (no fiber links i…

They don't need to steal. They can just do the same they did to ZTE, they managed to install a person or two into their board of directors as part of the settlement of the dispute.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by bugdd0 » Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:33 AM UTC

criddell wrote: post #209

yogthos wrote: post #170

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A lot of open source American tech has roots in NSA and other agencies. Signal and Tor are good examples, yet people seem to trust them.

The operations of a company with size and might of Huawei in China is nothing like the operations of big European or American companies. The Chinese government is very involved. They have offices in the company. Do you think Signal has a government representative on site all the time?

> The Chinese government is very involved. They have offices in the company. Source? that's quite bizarre to believe.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by imtringued » Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:04 AM UTC

I bet this will backfire. ARM isn't exactly known for building fast CPUs, therefore there is a lot of room for a slightly worse but cheaper competitor that designs the SoCs in China from start to finish.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by imtringued » Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:07 AM UTC

thkim wrote: post #49

yogthos wrote: post #15

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Nobody is going to care about this in the long run, and it's pretty clear that China has already moved past US capabilities with tech like 5G. This will only spur more investment in domestic technology. China has a far better education system, a lot more people, and a government that's able to do long term planning. I expect them to leapfrog US within a decade or so.

I doubt it. Chinese system only works when they are playing catch up. There is no incentive for being a pioneer in a culture where IP is not protected. The system doesn't work when they need to push above everyone else.

The incentive will be that key suppliers like ARM are forbidden from doing business with them.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by imtringued » Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:12 AM UTC

DCKing wrote: post #46

I see a lot of people dreaming about Huawei needing to pivot to open source technology, but the overwhelmingly likely outcome here is that the trade dispute gets (partially) resolved to the extent that Huawei can operate as usual again. Dreaming of Huawei backed RISC V SoCs is a pipe dream anyway, at least for mobile processors. For a mobile SoC you need a GPU as well. There are no viable open source GPU architecture…

It's a pipe dream but now there is a reason for it to happen. Previously the Chinese could just strike a deal with western businesses now they are forced to rely on their own competence.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by imtringued » Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:18 AM UTC

simonh wrote: post #93

smallstepforman wrote: post #13

ARM management are shooting themseves in the head here, this will divert Huawei funds to Risc-V instead. Time to dump ARM shares.

I'm afraid this theory fails the reality test. If it was that easy, and that certain Huawei would succeed and surpass ARM, they would have done it already and wouldn't need to be forced into it.

There are a lot of things that could happen but there is no reason for them to happen. Provide the reason and they will happen.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by achina_001 » Thu, May 23, 2019, 12:28 PM UTC

As a Chinese and arm employee here, the ban makes me feel shame on the original motivation of creating the joint venture between local govement and arm, which is trying to help local companies like Huawei to work around the exactly ban like this.

Arm China really does a bad job. Besides, its empolyee turn over rate also rise to about more than 40% from 5% since the creation of Arm China due to the bad management:(