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Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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post #6

So sad. Another ancient unique culture to be blended and homogenized into the global mass of undifferentiated Starbucks society. At least the megacorporations will get the cheap labor and undifferentiated consumers they want.

Why assume that Japanese culture is neither venerable nor attractive enough to withstand the phenomenon you’re describing?

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

#12
post #6

So sad. Another ancient unique culture to be blended and homogenized into the global mass of undifferentiated Starbucks society. At least the megacorporations will get the cheap labor and undifferentiated consumers they want.

What is the alternative?

All of the “developed” nations need immigration to prevent the social systems from completely falling apart. Our entire financial system is based on increasing population growth and the young paying to support the old. There aren’t enough young people. Without immigration, pensions, healthcare, social safety nets, property values… it all implodes. We go back to 1930 where old people just die in the street.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

#13
post #9

Im conflicted about this - I enjoy the multicultural aspects of my own town (Seattle) but I also sympathise with this idea of having a home culture.

I'm not only conflicted. I'm annoyed. Immigration is being sold as a solution to aging and shrinking population. While opening to immigrants certainly helps solving the shrinking workfoce problem, it is nothing more than a duct tape over what is happening: people no longer want to have kids. After it's been long enough that immigrants are not even called this anymore, if we discover that young workforce is still shri…

I think you have it backwards. The question we should be asking is, how can the rest of the world march as slowly toward Malthusian hell as Japan?

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

#14
post #7

Im conflicted about this - I enjoy the multicultural aspects of my own town (Seattle) but I also sympathise with this idea of having a home culture.

Is it really multiculturalism, in either Seattle or Japan? In multiculturalism, immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That's not generally what happens in the US -- even second generation immigrant children speak English as a first language and are largely Americanized.

>immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That's not generally what happens in the US

I’ve spent some time in Michigan or Minnesota and haven’t taken away the same conclusions. Maybe we could agree or disagree on “generally”.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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post #9

Im conflicted about this - I enjoy the multicultural aspects of my own town (Seattle) but I also sympathise with this idea of having a home culture.

I'm not only conflicted. I'm annoyed. Immigration is being sold as a solution to aging and shrinking population. While opening to immigrants certainly helps solving the shrinking workfoce problem, it is nothing more than a duct tape over what is happening: people no longer want to have kids. After it's been long enough that immigrants are not even called this anymore, if we discover that young workforce is still shri…

Why does that matter to you? I don't know if I'll have children and if I do, it'll certainly be It's often said that people used to have a lot of kids in order to insure against child mortality. I understand financial stress et al may be one reason for the lower reproduction rate but less kids can also be a sign of success.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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post #6

So sad. Another ancient unique culture to be blended and homogenized into the global mass of undifferentiated Starbucks society. At least the megacorporations will get the cheap labor and undifferentiated consumers they want.

What is the alternative? All of the “developed” nations need immigration to prevent the social systems from completely falling apart. Our entire financial system is based on increasing population growth and the young paying to support the old. There aren’t enough young people. Without immigration, pensions, healthcare, social safety nets, property values… it all implodes. We go back to 1930 where old people just die…

What is the alternative?

Having kids. Having a sustainable culture rather than some weird human shredder reliant on constant stream of new souls from abroad.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Im conflicted about this - I enjoy the multicultural aspects of my own town (Seattle) but I also sympathise with this idea of having a home culture.

The culture in multiculturalism seems to boil down to restaurant and pop (i.e industrial) culture choices. If it is anything beyond that, it is utilitarianism: the rule of numbers, economics. Capitalism in other words. Any attempt to assimilate the cultural change happening today to that of the past, or to validate it by what happened in the past, is fraud and diversion.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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> but it’s no longer quite right to call it homogeneous

Are you sure? Japan is maybe 99% homogeneous? I live in central Tokyo and I can go on for days and days without seeing a foreigner!

> it will inevitably introduce social strains

Sadly, yes. I've observed this on few occasions.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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post #6

So sad. Another ancient unique culture to be blended and homogenized into the global mass of undifferentiated Starbucks society. At least the megacorporations will get the cheap labor and undifferentiated consumers they want.

Why assume that Japanese culture is neither venerable nor attractive enough to withstand the phenomenon you’re describing?

Because culture is not an abstract set of ideas separate from its people. You can only adopt a culture you weren't brought up in to a certain degree, and usually very shallowly.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really multiculturalism, in either Seattle or Japan? In multiculturalism, immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That's not generally what happens in the US -- even second generation immigrant children speak English as a first language and are largely Americanized.

>immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That's not generally what happens in the US I’ve spent some time in Michigan or Minnesota and haven’t taken away the same conclusions. Maybe we could agree or disagree on “generally”.

I live in San Diego, 20 miles from the Mexican border. If you want to speak Spanish in Chula Vista or other immigrant enclaves, you'll find plenty of people who speak it. However, the number of second generation immigrants who speak Spanish exclusively is as far as I can tell, negligible.

There are just too many benefits to assimilating. This isn't Quebec.

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