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Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Perhaps a Greenpeace ship needs to be attacked by Chinese on live TV in order to gain momentum? We need eco-martyrs too.

It won’t affect them just like when Russia poisons defectors abroad on foreign soil. Lots of noise and complaining but nothing can come of it. They’re too big.

Not just too big, they are outside of the US sphere of influence, while Japan is a client state really.

We should still shame reprehensible behavior.

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As much as I hate to see the environment getting destroyed, eco-terrorism is not the way forwards. Every normal person is empowered to help: purchase from people whose ideals you agree with, win the hearts and minds of those around you, re-use everything you safely can.

And perhaps there should be tariffs on Chinese goods to prevent them from dumping poisonous products on the market. Some of these things like lead and cadmium in children's pencil cases made me wonder if this was intentional.

> And perhaps there should be tariffs on Chinese goods

Someone other than Trump will have to do it though, otherwise the motives are all wrong

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Really not. Spend some time in China. It won't take long (hours to days) before you notice the utter callousness with which people habitually treat strangers and the environment around them. It can't be believed until it's experienced.

Is there any place with comparable population density with a substantially better social environment? If so, have you any theories that could explain the difference?

Japan

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Really not. Spend some time in China. It won't take long (hours to days) before you notice the utter callousness with which people habitually treat strangers and the environment around them. It can't be believed until it's experienced.

Is there any place with comparable population density with a substantially better social environment? If so, have you any theories that could explain the difference?

Any city?

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I mean, let's be honest here: is this really a surprise? There's a business culture of dishonesty throughout the country that is unprecedented. Their food supply is poisoned by factories that simply don't care about life and only care about money. There have been articles about how cooking oil is recycled from waste, and how fish are fed feces instead of food and packed in ice from polluted waters. Fake milk, fake ba…

This is real. Try buying the good types of baby formula in Australian supermarkets or pharmacies; you quickly learn the need to have a buffer of several lest your baby goes hungry.

Scalpers go in and get what they can, then sell to China for a massive profit. If they're hit by the "max one per customer" they'll come in again and again until they're kicked out of the store.

I feel bad for parents in China who can't trust the products in their own stores.

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TFA made me think of Dr. Mehmet Oz' interview of Dr. Jordan Peterson [1] from last year (2018). I've transcribed part of the interview below: Dr. Jordan Peterson: > "I've always been obsessed with totalitarianism and authoritarian governments whether they're on the Right or the Left for years--decades really. I spent almost all of my free time thinking about what happened in Nazi Germany and in Russia during the Sovi…

This quote reeks of self-righteousness. Western corporations have done as much harm as they could get away with to make a quick buck as well.

Jordan Peterson is an individual who seems like he struggled to make sense of the world according to his Christian/Pure-Capitalistic view of the world and decided to concoct wild self-righteous theories to justify his bias rather than change his viewpoint. The only thing he has going for him is that he speaks with extreme confidence. My advide to you: choose a better messiah to save you from whatever disillusionment you are going through.

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Really not. Spend some time in China. It won't take long (hours to days) before you notice the utter callousness with which people habitually treat strangers and the environment around them. It can't be believed until it's experienced.

Is there any place with comparable population density with a substantially better social environment? If so, have you any theories that could explain the difference?

Some say the genocides of Communism and the Cultural Revolution wiped out a lot of the old civilized ways and made the survivors callous.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Really not. Spend some time in China. It won't take long (hours to days) before you notice the utter callousness with which people habitually treat strangers and the environment around them. It can't be believed until it's experienced.

Is there any place with comparable population density with a substantially better social environment? If so, have you any theories that could explain the difference?

Japan, Korea. It is like a different world.

Why, I don’t have a clue. Maybe it is the last 200 years in China, civil wars, then Communists and Mao. It is weird because there is not much violent crime at all. You won’t get kidnapped or mugged outside your hotel or anything like that.

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Having been an expat traveled to over 25 countries, I can confidently say our natural world is fucked. Modern industrialism has given the third world too much manufacturing power. And they aren’t aware of the consequences and don’t care, because “fuckit I want kids toys and double ply toilet paper for my family too, not just the Westerners”

All currently rich "sophisticated" countries were in a similar phase when they were fighting their way out of poverty.

Once countries get rich enough, they can afford to care about the environment. China seems to advance much faster than others did historically, so I'm hopeful.

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