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ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by turbinerneiter »

kbumsik wrote: post #65

Now I'm wondering what will happens to ESP8266/ESP32. ESP8266 is a Wi-Fi SoC which was extremely popular in hobbyist world, and its successor, ESP32, is widely accepted in industry too. Will it have any impact on companies that use ESP such as Particle [1] and Arduino? [1]: https://www.particle.io/

These are not made by Huawei and do not use ARM cores.

They are made by Espressif and use Tensilica cores.

Tensilica is a US company, owned by Cadence. I don't know of any ties between Espressif and Huawei.

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Post by tyingq »

DCKing wrote: post #46

I see a lot of people dreaming about Huawei needing to pivot to open source technology, but the overwhelmingly likely outcome here is that the trade dispute gets (partially) resolved to the extent that Huawei can operate as usual again. Dreaming of Huawei backed RISC V SoCs is a pipe dream anyway, at least for mobile processors. For a mobile SoC you need a GPU as well. There are no viable open source GPU architecture…

The rhetoric is pretty strong around Huwaei. What sort of PR exchange do you see that resolves this, with them continuing to use ARM with a blessing from Google, the oval office, etc?

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Post by thkim »

yogthos wrote: post #53
thkim wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. Chinese system only works when they are playing catch up. There is no incentive for being a pioneer in a culture where IP is not protected. The system doesn't work when they need to push above everyone else.

somebody's been drinking propaganda Kool-Aid

which part is propaganda?

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Post by captainbland »

It's a pretty bold move by ARM to stop working with Huawei even if it does believe that it's affected by the American ban. It seems like it's very likely to damage their image in the eyes of other non-western technology firms who could end up on America's radar. Won't a lot of execs be scratching their heads thinking, "what if we're next to be cut off in this trade war?"

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Post by thkim »

yogthos wrote: post #59
simion314 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am wondering if the huge IP theft is mostly propaganda similar to the one US uses before it starts a war or changes some government in other country.

My view is that IP is fundamentally a terrible idea and should be abolished. All it does is help incumbent companies and prevents competition.

This is a naive thinking. Advances in software industry are purely intellectual so it doesn't involve heavy cost, which is why open source idea can work and be argued that it promotes innovation. Say you are a pharmaceutical company developing a new drug, investing billions of dollars. If there is no IP, why do it? You need to wake up to reality.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

Zenst wrote: post #55
leereeves wrote: post #29

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And once China starts making discoveries of their own, they'll guard anything they discover. It's naive to imagine that they'll share their IP.

As they did with gunpowder, china-clay, silkworms, tea and even Panda's. I think only Panda's out of that small list have their IP still protected and the rest got industrial-theft treatment over the centuries. Though in fairness - they do share Panda's.

Byzantines robbed the silkworms in possibly one of the oldest written records of corporate espionage?

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captainbland wrote: post #74

It's a pretty bold move by ARM to stop working with Huawei even if it does believe that it's affected by the American ban. It seems like it's very likely to damage their image in the eyes of other non-western technology firms who could end up on America's radar. Won't a lot of execs be scratching their heads thinking, "what if we're next to be cut off in this trade war?"

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Post by logicchains »

ghobs91 wrote: post #47
jolfdb wrote: post #44

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Or maybe IP theft is retaliation for the opium wars. It's silly to look at a centuries long geopolitical struggle for hegemony through the lens of fair play as though it's just a game among friends.

In which case this move against huawei is "just business". It's their problem now to figure out how to develop top tier hardware and software without stealing it from American companies and rebranding it.

I thought the problem was that they had developed something better than what the US currently has, their 5G implementation, and that's what has the US worried.

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Post by simion314 »

thkim wrote: post #75
yogthos wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My view is that IP is fundamentally a terrible idea and should be abolished. All it does is help incumbent companies and prevents competition.

This is a naive thinking. Advances in software industry are purely intellectual so it doesn't involve heavy cost, which is why open source idea can work and be argued that it promotes innovation. Say you are a pharmaceutical company developing a new drug, investing billions of dollars. If there is no IP, why do it? You need to wake up to reality.

You could pay researchers with money from taxes, then you will get more research into important problems and less into rich people concerns like baldness and beauty creams.

Mathematicians,physicists also do a lot of research and they do not ask you to pay them to use their findings.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by yogthos »

thkim wrote: post #75
yogthos wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My view is that IP is fundamentally a terrible idea and should be abolished. All it does is help incumbent companies and prevents competition.

This is a naive thinking. Advances in software industry are purely intellectual so it doesn't involve heavy cost, which is why open source idea can work and be argued that it promotes innovation. Say you are a pharmaceutical company developing a new drug, investing billions of dollars. If there is no IP, why do it? You need to wake up to reality.

That's just utter nonsense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY
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