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Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by gambiting »

oldjokes wrote: post #12
marsRoverDev wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Passengers as a whole don't have any idea what is going on and have the memory of an amnesiac goldfish. They also don't have the ability to differentiate between planes in general, so this is probably just as likely to affect their perceptions of the A320.

This is completely wrong, and there is plenty of data that says so. Especially when you start talking about business and frequent travelers, they are notoriously picky and will cancel flights based on a plane class or even when a specific aircraft usually does the route. https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-want-to-fly-b... "If you had a flight on a Boeing 737 Max next week, and the FAA decided to clear the…

I feel like US is a completely different universe when it comes to this. I fly several times per year and there is no such thing as "choice" when it comes to flying. It's a matter of which operator has a connection on that route, having multiple operators fly the same route is completely unheard of(for me). If Ryanair rolls out a fleet of 737 Max tomorrow....I will fly on the 737 Max. I can't go "oh well I'll just fly BA" - because BA does not fly that route, and the alternative is flying somewhere else and a lengthy car or train journey.

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

mimixco wrote: post #11
Aromasin wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things are certainly looking bullish for Airbus in the aftermath of this.

And they just extended the range of the A220.

For people who want to learn more

https://simpleflying.com/airbus-a220-upgrades/

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by getaclue »

yaseer wrote: post #3

I'm curious to see how passengers will react to flying via 737-max. Will ticket prices be lowered to reflect the inevitable wariness of flying in one again?

we are about to fly soon and literally the first thing I’ve thought (and my SO) was I hope it’s not this plane

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by riffraff »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #14
yaseer wrote: post #3

I'm curious to see how passengers will react to flying via 737-max. Will ticket prices be lowered to reflect the inevitable wariness of flying in one again?

I will not fly the 737 MAX unless and until it has its own type certificate... and even then not for at least 3-4 years of commercial service under that condition. It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets.

> It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets.

is it? I've never noticed it.

I guess it's possible to infer it by the seat configuration when you get to choose it, but I never saw "you'll be flying XYZ" when I booked tickets in the past.

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by isostatic »

darrenf wrote: post #20
SomeHacker44 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will not fly the 737 MAX unless and until it has its own type certificate... and even then not for at least 3-4 years of commercial service under that condition. It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets.

> It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets That's as maybe, but is far from guaranteed to remain as-is - and how many people maintain an ExpertFlyer membership and enter their itinerary for aircraft change alerts? Unless a seat changes†, IME most airlines don't proactively send out change alerts to passengers already booked when one aircraft is swapped for another. Furthermore I would si…

Avoid airlines with 737-maxes on their list (unless the airline is clear they've grounded them)

it's possible a last minute wet-lease could put you on a max, but it's unlikely.

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by gsnedders »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #16
mmrezaie wrote: post #10

I flied to Cyprus from Stockholm with Norwegian last week. On the plane it was written 737-800 or 737 Max. I wonder how you can tell them apart and if Norwegian uses the Max line!?

EDIT: Lol, nevermind. Go read the child comments. I failed. There are two features you can look for: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/48929/is-this-a... tl;dr on the MAX the wing tips split into two (above and below the main wing), on all previous 737s, the wingtips only curve up. Also the engine cowling has some cool looky jaggies on the trailing edge.

> on the MAX the wing tips split into two (above and below the main wing), on all previous 737s, the wingtips only curve up

However there are aftermarket wingtips for the 737NG (737-600/700/800/900) which are similarly split that a number of major operators have fitted.

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by ejolto »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #16
mmrezaie wrote: post #10

I flied to Cyprus from Stockholm with Norwegian last week. On the plane it was written 737-800 or 737 Max. I wonder how you can tell them apart and if Norwegian uses the Max line!?

EDIT: Lol, nevermind. Go read the child comments. I failed. There are two features you can look for: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/48929/is-this-a... tl;dr on the MAX the wing tips split into two (above and below the main wing), on all previous 737s, the wingtips only curve up. Also the engine cowling has some cool looky jaggies on the trailing edge.

Boeing also has the model number on a plate in the doorway. Of course if you can read it, you've already boarded.

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by jpkeisala »

Aromasin wrote: post #5
hu3 wrote: post #2

A slap in the face to the comments that were dismissing concerns as overreactions and stating that 737-MAX would return to operation shortly. Not in EU at least.

Things are certainly looking bullish for Airbus in the aftermath of this.

I think they will need to go easy on this in order to avoid White House getting involved.

Re: Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

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Post by objektif »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #15
oldjokes wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is completely wrong, and there is plenty of data that says so. Especially when you start talking about business and frequent travelers, they are notoriously picky and will cancel flights based on a plane class or even when a specific aircraft usually does the route. https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-want-to-fly-b... "If you had a flight on a Boeing 737 Max next week, and the FAA decided to clear the…

That's a bad interpretation of this survey. The initial question should be - have you ever checked what aircraft you will be flying ? 99% of passengers have no idea.

May be 99% HAD no idea. Thats because they did not know Boeing was knowingly putting them inside a death machine. It will be a different story now.
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