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Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Cut the foreplay, TSA, we all know eventually we will have to get on the plane naked! After a good cavity search. Because, let's face it, all it takes is one bra-bomber and panty-bomber for this to become a reality.

Cavity searches aren't profitable.

Not sure why you got downvoted. You are correct in that the government can't exactly hand out a giant contrract for a cavity search scanner to some shadowy corporation with expensive lobbyists.

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should the company that makes these machines allow access to them?

Shouldn't the airports or governments (or whoever is paying for these) test them properly?

I'm really curious about this. People on HN are saying "oh it's just security theater" as if the TSA purchasing officials are knowingly disingenuous. I suspect the testing procedures are badly flawed and the TSA has no clue whether the devices that they buy work. Right now I don't haven enough data to say either way - lying or stupid. Both hypotheses fit the facts.

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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It would be very hard to conceal such conformally-packed explosives from sniffers and dogs.

You can't use dogs for static defense because they can only stay on task for so long. After 10-15 minutes of bomb sniffing the dog needs to take a break. You would need several dogs (and handlers) per checkpoint, which is cost ineffective.

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Cut the foreplay, TSA, we all know eventually we will have to get on the plane naked! After a good cavity search. Because, let's face it, all it takes is one bra-bomber and panty-bomber for this to become a reality.

Cavity searches aren't profitable.

I liked my joke.

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't the airports or governments (or whoever is paying for these) test them properly?

I'm really curious about this. People on HN are saying "oh it's just security theater" as if the TSA purchasing officials are knowingly disingenuous. I suspect the testing procedures are badly flawed and the TSA has no clue whether the devices that they buy work. Right now I don't haven enough data to say either way - lying or stupid. Both hypotheses fit the facts.

Security experts are saying it's security theater. And they're right.

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't the airports or governments (or whoever is paying for these) test them properly?

I'm really curious about this. People on HN are saying "oh it's just security theater" as if the TSA purchasing officials are knowingly disingenuous. I suspect the testing procedures are badly flawed and the TSA has no clue whether the devices that they buy work. Right now I don't haven enough data to say either way - lying or stupid. Both hypotheses fit the facts.

Suppose as you hypothesize the TSA really doesn't know whether or not they work and whether or not they pose radiation risks to travelers and TSA employees. But they've told the President and Congress that this is the only way to keep us safe and we absolutely must spend $2.4B.

Would you consider that 'lying' or 'stupid'?

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Great headline based on a simulation. Says so in the second sentence of the abstract. Is it hard to do a test using real machines? What's stopping them?

The government and the manufacturer refuse to give people access to the machines.

And the government has refused to release testing data; EPIC's currently got a FOIA suit.

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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I'm against security theater, but this sounds like an information visualization problem: if the image contains enough signal that a theoretically optimally trained eye can detect the contraband, they should be able to use machine learning algorithms to detect suspicious items and make them show up with higher contrast. In other words, the software should magnify anything out of the ordinary, like contraband. It's not…

They aren't meant to detect explosives. They are meant to detect weapons that the metal detector might not pickup The explosive you would just put through the x-ray machine anyway where it wouldn't be detected.

> They aren't meant to detect explosives.

Yes, they are.

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/ait/faqs.shtm

> Advanced imaging technology safely screens passengers for both metallic and non-metallic threats, including weapons and explosives, which may be concealed under a passengers’ clothing without physical contact to keep the traveling public secure.

Re: Pornoscanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really curious about this. People on HN are saying "oh it's just security theater" as if the TSA purchasing officials are knowingly disingenuous. I suspect the testing procedures are badly flawed and the TSA has no clue whether the devices that they buy work. Right now I don't haven enough data to say either way - lying or stupid. Both hypotheses fit the facts.

Security experts are saying it's security theater. And they're right.

I completely agree. I'm questioning whether TSA knows that or not.
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