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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by nikdaheratik » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:52 AM UTC

everyone wrote: post #286

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Windows is crap. The UI is totally schizoid, with different apps using different toolkits. Office for Mac integrates more cleanly into the look and feel of the rest of the OS than Office for Windows. There are two different settings apps with different features. Basic things are poorly designed. E.g. if you put the task bar in autohide mode, it routinely gets “stuck” because some notification is keeping it from hidin…

Spoken like someone who does not know Windows. If you buy a machine that comes with windows, and just use it off the shelf it, is a total mess as you say. (As well as probably loaded with crapware) If you know Windows youre gonna install LTSC on that machine and have a nice productive time. I am curious, do you buy a mac and just use it for work without any setup, off the shelf? If so that is a point in its favour I…

You're right that the off-the-shelf experience with Windows can be very dodgy depending on what your OEM is and what crap they decided to put into the core OS.

I'm conflicted about all this myself because I have a good experience with Win10 once I get all the extra nonsense removed, the settings changed, and my shell setup working. I feel like Windows rewards people who are willing to put the time into it now, but its not as easy as dealing with Mac OS where you basically just clear off the toolbar, put the shell and whatever dev apps onto it, and maybe tweak a few settings and you're okay to go.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by billylindeman » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:55 AM UTC

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

Smiliar boat except with a lenovo x1 extreme. After typing on my lenovo for 1 day going back to my macbook pro retina feels like an absolute disaster. It's like we've been gaslit by apple to believe these computers are good. They're not. They're complete trash

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by DonHopkins » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:57 AM UTC

docker_up wrote: post #176

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I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…

I recently was forced to upgrade by 2015 laptop at work because the battery life was finally short enough that I couldn't stand it. I hate dongles. The 2015 Macbook will stand as their last best laptop. Nothing about the 2018 laptop is better, it's only worse. I don't understand why they don't see this. There should really be a huge multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit for their keyboards and fixability to wake…

I still think the PowerBook 540c was the best Apple laptop that I ever used.

Although I had switched over to Windows by the time of the Pismo G3/500 (voted the best ever), I had my 540c upgraded with a PowerPC, and got many years of delightful service out of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_500_series

I had a 5300 for a while and it was a piece of crap compared to the sturdy souped-up 540c.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_5300

It had two big symmetrical removable battery compartments, so you could switch out one at a time and keep running on as many batteries as you have pre-charged without interruption! Plus there was an external dual battery charger.

And you could swap a hard disk drive or CDROM into one of those bays.

Plus it was fat enough that it was able to cool so it didn't overheat all the time like an MBP.

Anorexic thinness isn't a thing for me: I'd trade a lot of thinness for huge removable batteries and great ventilation.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060324140419/http://www.insane...

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by nikdaheratik » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:58 AM UTC

minikites wrote: post #359

rayiner wrote: post #241

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Windows is crap. The UI is totally schizoid, with different apps using different toolkits. Office for Mac integrates more cleanly into the look and feel of the rest of the OS than Office for Windows. There are two different settings apps with different features. Basic things are poorly designed. E.g. if you put the task bar in autohide mode, it routinely gets “stuck” because some notification is keeping it from hidin…

>The UI is totally schizoid Kinda like how iTunes was brushed metal forever while the Finder was Aqua and some apps roll their own UI to mimic Aqua? It's not like either Apple or Microsoft produce consistent applications, let alone the lack of control they have over third party developers. There is also Carbon vs. Cocoa, where different programs get different services "for free" from the operating system (e.g. spell…

Microsofts worst enemy, IMO, is their OEMs who are allowed to put all kinds of custom side-hustle garbage into the OS and it takes alot of work to remove it. Essentially, you have to pay a premium to a manufacturer to signal you're a "serious" user instead of "consumer" user, or you have to spend time removing spam... I mean "custom" apps that the OEM got paid to put onto your machine. At least, Apple only hustles their own ecosystem apps and let you safely hide or remove most of them.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by usaphp » Wed, May 22, 2019, 2:59 AM UTC

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Disclaimer: work for Apple but about 1000 miles away from hardware The MacBook touch pads are leagues above all the competition. It’s the number one thing that keeps me away from my think pads.

Why do you say that? Isn't that entirely a personal preference thing? I have preferred any good non-Apple touchpad I have tried to Apple's. (To be fair, 90% of laptops sold ship with cheap, terrible touchpads.) The touchpad on my Dell XPS is a good example; zero finger friction, physical left/right buttons at the bottom of the touchpad, and perfect sensitivity / detection of tap to click and two finger scroll. The dr…

After I got the haptic touch trackpad, I can’t go back to physical buttons. Ability to click anywhere on a trackpad with a click like feedback is one of the best things Apple ever did.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by winrid » Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:03 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #555

endymi0n wrote: post #111

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I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…

If you purchase a Dell developer laptop or any Lenovo Thinkpad you dont have to worry about hardware support for Linux. Works out of the box.

I had to wait three months for Lenovo to replace my X1 Extreme's motherboard because switching to discreet graphics to install Linux bricked it.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by whateveracct » Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:07 AM UTC

lukifer wrote: post #276

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https://github.com/niw/HapticKey

Cool, thanks for sharing! (Seems like a missed opportunity that Apple didn't add their own built-in haptics to the TouchBar.)

Yeah it would be great if the touchbar itself had haptic feedback. But the trackpad haptic feedback works surprisingly well.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by bscphil » Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:19 AM UTC

wj wrote: post #604

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For running Adobe products, I use Virtualbox running Windows 10 on my Linux laptop. The speed of hypervisors has gotten so good recently I genuinely can't tell the difference over running Windows natively, even though this laptop is 8 years old now. Everything "just works" and so I don't see why which programs you need to run should determine what brand of computer you buy or what OS you run on it, any more. I guess…

My main system is currently a late 2012 maxed out Mac Mini that struggles with Adobe products. I also miss Linux on my desktop so your set up is appealing to me. Looking to use Lightroom, Illustrator, InDesign, and Photoshop. By chance have you passed through a drawing pad?

I have not, but Virtualbox supposedly supports passing through the USB protocol itself, so I imagine it works; at least it's supposed to work?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by lancesells » Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:20 AM UTC

docker_up wrote: post #176

endymi0n wrote: post #111

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I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…

I recently was forced to upgrade by 2015 laptop at work because the battery life was finally short enough that I couldn't stand it. I hate dongles. The 2015 Macbook will stand as their last best laptop. Nothing about the 2018 laptop is better, it's only worse. I don't understand why they don't see this. There should really be a huge multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit for their keyboards and fixability to wake…

Battery replacements are fairly cheap. I did that with my 2014 air and it's now good for another three or four years.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by DonHopkins » Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:21 AM UTC

TomVDB wrote: post #306

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100% agree. I'm typing this on a 2015 Macbook Pro, and holding on for dear life, even as it has started alerting me about servicing the battery. It's a great machine. I tried using the touchbar on my son's newer MBP. It's awful, and not meant for serious use. His laptop has been replaced once already due to keyboard issue, and starting to show defects again.

Replace the battery. I did it last year on my 2012 rMBpro after it have been complaining about servicing the battery for about a year, and while it wasn't a walk in the park, it all worked out great. Tip: there are 2 ways to replace the battery. One is by following the official iFixit etc instructions where you remove absolutely everything before you peel off the battery with acetone. The other is by immediately peel…

I just had to have my screen replaced (by a third party repair shop), and while they were at it, they vacuumed out a lot of cat hair for free. Now it runs much cooler, and seems like a new machine!

You can also replace the thermal paste, although now that it's not overheating all the time, I won't have that done until next time it overheats and slows down and I need to have it vacuumed out again.

http://www.mackungfu.org/TheonethingtodotomakeyourMacBookPro...