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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by arendtio »

colordrops wrote: post #583
vogon_laureate wrote: post #566

I own both a 15" Macbook Pro 2017 model with touch bar and a Dell XPS 15" 2017 model. Both have their pluses and minuses. Both needed major repairs. Dell needed logic board and screen replaced. Mac needed logic board and keyboard. I mainly use the Mac. It's much quieter, has an amazingly vivid and bright retina display, extremely good battery life, best track pad in the industry and the best speakers on any laptop I'…

Dell XPS laptops are some of the best Linux laptops out there. No need for Windows. I've been using the same model as you with Linux for a while now and an very happy with it.

A few years ago I bought an XPS 15 9530 (2013) and I hate that thing.

A few months after I got it the touch screen failed. Dell put some effort into repairing it (about an hour of remote support for updating the BIOS and afterward a technician visited me twice to replace the display (the first time he didn't have the correct replacement screen at hand)).

However, a while later the screen started to flicker sometimes. At first, I took it for a software issue and since I didn't use the laptop that often I didn't really care. When I realized that it was, in fact, a hardware defect (again), the warranty had expired.

So good Linux support is one (very valuable) thing, but if the build quality is that bad (I mean, even my 300€ first gen Eeepc still runs with fewer problems), I am not willing to pay the XPS premium again.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by bborud »

It says something about Apple when my first reaction is "yeah...I'm going to hang back and see if this laptop too is going to have lots of problems".

Apple's war on repair shops doesn't make me want to spend a lot of money on an Apple laptop. It's just a bad investment.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

ducttape12 wrote: post #534
TimTheTinker wrote: post #180

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Since the introduction of Mac OS X, I've always thought of macOS in terms of a Venn diagram of two partially overlapping circles: (A) Operating systems that major desktop apps support (B) Developer-friendly operating systems (Unix/Linux at the core, default shell is bash or similar, etc.) Windows is in (A). Linux is in (B). But macOS is in the overlapping area between (A) and (B). It's the best of both worlds.

I've struggled with this idea - almost everything (outside Apple specific development) is ported to Windows. My work is in .NET and various Javascript frameworks. Never had a problem with Windows. Plus I feel if I really needed a Linux environment, the Linux subsystem would fill that need.

Sketch is probably the single biggest seller of Mac's.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by bborud »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #505
ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

> We repair these as part of our business I feel this comment is very misleading, since it looks like you are describing these new 8-core machines, which have been announced literally today and you cannot possibly have any experience of.

Mm, sure, but you are making assumptions too.

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Post by knotty66 »

badpun wrote: post #355
deaddodo wrote: post #263

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> I feel too old to compile my own kernel for a glitchy wifi driver, and Windows? Nah, get away... Linux hasn't had issues with the major wifi chipsets in ages. It's as plug and play as Mac and Windows are. There are plenty of reasons people might choose to avoid Linux, but drivers (outside of specialty, niche or obscure hardware) aren't really a reason anymore.

Linux on Macbooks is still crap though...

Runs great on my 2014 MBP.

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Post by pfranz »

dcosson wrote: post #485
burtonator wrote: post #450

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> Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurts). I will NEVER forgive them for this. Jobs was RIGHT when he said this was a major innovation over everyone else. Now Apple is either saying he was wrong or THEY are wrong. They're not BOTH right. My 2015 is the last MBP I will ever buy and it's aging fast... I think it's hackingtosh from here on out. I primarily use Ubuntu but I have to have a Mac as our app runs cross platfor…

I guess I'm the only one that thinks USB-C is actually better? The biggest win is that now I can use a single dongle for power, displayport to my monitor, and connection to a USB hub. So if I take my laptop home or into a meeting room, when I get back to my desk it's just a single thing to plug in now instead of 3+ separate cables. And since this stuff is all standardized now and there's no longer anything Apple prop…

I feel the same way. I do really miss magsafe (and the charging light), but I really like plugging in 1 cable for power, monitor, and accessories.

There are USB-C cables with a charging light on them. I'm a little dumbfounded why Apple doesn't offer this--their USB-C cables already come in one flavor for charging and another for high speed data. It's made worse because Apple also took off the white LED /and/ battery charging indicator on the case.

https://www.amazon.com/Moshi-Integra-USB-C-Charging-Cable/dp...

I haven't used them (there might be other brands), I hear they can be slightly weird depending on the computer+power brick because they seem to observe the power draw for the LED color.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by lern_too_spel »

akamel wrote: post #251
lern_too_spel wrote: post #198

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It's about $100 more to go from 512 GB to 1 TB, and these are better than what Apple puts in their machines. https://www.mrmemory.co.uk/ssd-upgrades/lenovo/thinkpad/p1

That's not how much Lenovo actually charges. They charge 450$ retail and 250$ on special for a slightly slower SSD https://imgur.com/a/ug87MaI

"On special." This is merely typical price for a reseller. The point is that Apple is overcharging at least 2x compared to competitors.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by josephg »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #581
LeoPanthera wrote: post #509

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"Just make sure to fix some of the sleep issues..." A great example of why people buy Macs, though. Most people don't want to faff around with hackery getting Linux to work properly. And with Windows 10's horrible privacy issues, Macs are still the best choice. They're buying them for the software, not the hardware.

I understand these issues are an impediment to Linux adoption. However people always say this as if Linux is at fault. Well, mostly the sleep issues exist because the laptop ships with windows, and windows has some fancy sleep mode that involves a specific bios setting. Linux uses more traditional sleep settings, so when installing Linux one must change that bios setting and then run a command to tell the OS that set…

I think everything you’re saying is right; but also it doesn’t matter. When my mum asks me which computer to buy, I’m not going to recommend the computer that has defects that I can explain away. I’m going to recommend the machine that works out of the box, where I won’t have to goof around with graphics drivers via PPI or whatever to make an external display work.
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