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Hobbling Huawei: Inside the U.S. war on China’s tech giant

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Re: Hobbling Huawei: Inside the U.S. war on China’s tech giant

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Can somebody TLDR; why 5G is so much more dangerous (security wise) vs 4G? Plus I do like the two-facedness - nobody should spy unless it's us.

Many reasons, you name it:

- Almost any existent device will likely be connected to the Internet through 5G almost as fast as it became available

- Access probably will be a LOT cheaper than 4G, will get there a lot faster (months not years), so everybody will be onboard ASAP

- 5G network could easily replace many fiber optic deployments currently used by telecommunication companies big clients (so if you breach the 5G infrastructure, you're reaching internal networks in banks, trust funds, government sensitive information offices, whatever fancy dangerous stuff not suitable for public access)

- 5G is REALLY FAST and RELIABLE, (very hight bandwith plus very, very low latency), so if you hack into something, or if you deploy malware, it will spread faster than the Thanos snap. The data exfiltration - taking your stolen data out to your infrastructure - could take a LOT less than now, this probably means the bad guys could hack out a lot more data than now, also probably using a "raw" approach: if you get in, just transfer everything you can access, right now

- The massive (freaking massive) traffic you're going to see into the network monitoring infrastructure will probably be very similar to what Five Eyes currently sees for entire countries, but in city per city base (NY, Boston, DC, Berlin, Barcelona, etc.), so initially very few players will be able to get out something meaningful from the monitoring stuff, but what devices failed: more bad guys oportunities.

Finally.

- Whoever makes the hardware has the upper hand, you - whoever you are - go behind them, in almost any security scenario.

So yeah, we need to have this stuff under some serious control.

Trump is almost certainly right in his attemp to make what he's doing.

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Hypocrisy and arrogance at its finest - its ok for us to engage in illegal spying but not other countries. US leads the world in illegal activities and spying/stealing from foreign nations.

It's not hypocrisy or arrogance in any regard.

The US does not view China as an ally, it's a competitor that the US sometimes cooperates with economically.

The US and its allies are saying they prefer to keep the spying inside their own allied domain. That's not only entirely rational, it obviously makes perfect sense from a national self-interest standpoint.

As an American, if I get to choose, I'm buying my 5G tech from European or Asian allies. I'll happily pay more for it.

The US isn't saying China can't spy, it's universally understood that China is spying and will keep trying to, just as the US will. The US is basically openly saying it's going to attempt to counter or limit that spying, because China is a global rival in all regards. Just as China will always attempt to limit the ability of the US to spy on China and its interests. The same goes for Russia and its spying, going all the way back to the early days of the USSR.

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"The chance of a vulnerability with a Huawei piece of kit is much higher than other vendors," Is this British slang or a typo ?

Piece of kit is a british idiom, yes if that's what you mean.

I have never seen it before, thanks. I read it another way.

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Can somebody TLDR; why 5G is so much more dangerous (security wise) vs 4G? Plus I do like the two-facedness - nobody should spy unless it's us.

Many reasons, you name it: - Almost any existent device will likely be connected to the Internet through 5G almost as fast as it became available - Access probably will be a LOT cheaper than 4G, will get there a lot faster (months not years), so everybody will be onboard ASAP - 5G network could easily replace many fiber optic deployments currently used by telecommunication companies big clients (so if you breach the…

What is it that makes 5G cheaper than 4G?

In the past, faster almost always mean a denser network of costly towers. Is that different for 5G?

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Can somebody TLDR; why 5G is so much more dangerous (security wise) vs 4G? Plus I do like the two-facedness - nobody should spy unless it's us.

Doesn't seem more dangerous due to the tech but due to the fact that no one from Western countries has actually built hardware that we can buy.

Well ignoring security for a minute, I have issues with anything that makes it easier for telecoms to charge for and provide different tiers of service for limited parts of the internet (net neutrality), and as I see it, pushing services towards the edge can't possibly work without some degree of opt in. Then there becomes a fundamental issue with the telecoms wanting things hosted on their nodes for performance, and small scale sites being to little to for the telecoms to care.

This is all still very speculative, but there isn't a telecom out there I'd trust to run my servers.

I agree we could use nice ways to serve content more locally, and there's already some solutions here, but I'm struggling to see how it works as part of a cell network protocol without redefining a lot of how we expect the internet to work.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US doesn't have large domain players in the telecom space that supply the broad spectrum of equipment that runs what is known as the 4G EPC[1] or 5G Core[2] (data & packet processing) and RAN[3] (radio access network). Qualcomm and Intel focus and specialize on chips. Cisco focuses on layer 2, layer 3 and partially layer 7 equipment (think: routers & switches). Cisco has some products that compete against Huawei…

Wonder if someone could elaborate on the hardware or what makes cell network hardware unique? Isn't it all just chips, boards, and cables?

A modern wireless operator in its most simple terms is comprised of two very different networks: a radio access network of cell sites (aka RAN), and a data and packet processing network (aka Core).

The two types of network are not heterogenous because their layer 1 characters are completely different (electromagnetic spectrum vs. wires), which has led to vendor specialization over the years as few companies are/were able to compete across the full suite of different workload characteristics demanded by data-plane and control-plane needs.

Huawei's strength comes in their ability to provide an end-to-end turnkey solution for both types of networks at competitive prices with hardware & software that works.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US doesn't have large domain players in the telecom space that supply the broad spectrum of equipment that runs what is known as the 4G EPC[1] or 5G Core[2] (data & packet processing) and RAN[3] (radio access network). Qualcomm and Intel focus and specialize on chips. Cisco focuses on layer 2, layer 3 and partially layer 7 equipment (think: routers & switches). Cisco has some products that compete against Huawei…

Wonder if someone could elaborate on the hardware or what makes cell network hardware unique? Isn't it all just chips, boards, and cables?

"Just" chips? The amount of research and development that goes into designing and fabricating chips used for wireless radio technologies is not so easily written off with a "just".
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