Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by SamuelAdams » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:29 PM UTC

nothis wrote: post #46

I checked their store out of curiosity. Switching from 512MB to 1TB SSD: +$400 WHY? This is literally the only thing that bothers me about Apple pricing. I get that you pay for the design, I get the quirks like introducing touch bar, everything. But I don't get why upgrading from a $50 to a $100 SSD adds 400 dollars.

Apple now solders in the SSD into the motherboard. My guess is the cost of an entire motherboard with a larger SSD simply costs more to manufacture. Or their target audience doesn't really care about money - they care more about the "premium" experience that comes with the Apple brand.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by dzhiurgis » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

For people with double entry keyboard issue, I highly recommend https://github.com/aahung/Unshaky - uses software to ignore double entry. Mine(2018) has developed an issue within 3 months of hard use on one of the worst keys - backspace.

I've introduced over 5 bugs because of this shite, by randomly deleting one dangling brace...

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by la_barba » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

Apple still makes very good products, but they're starting to move away from differentiators that made them successful over others. A lot of computing products are what I'd call "engineered to fail". In that, the design of the product sucks in an objective way, and any technically minded person can see the failure coming from a mile away. For e.g. buggy custom software for stupidly trivial tasks like application/system updates, and then making it worse by installing it as a kernel service, or using sub-par plasticky components, poor frame construction, or pre-loading crap-ware, zero attention to ergonomics, not caring if the vendor's software blends with the underlying OS, not caring about UX impact of their software, etc.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by swozey » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

wpdev_63 wrote: post #235

Why would you want to spend 2k+ on a laptop with an abysmal keyboard?

I buy $3k laptops. The only time they're not docked is when I'm on a plane or on my couch..

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by LeoPanthera » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

> We repair these as part of our business

I feel this comment is very misleading, since it looks like you are describing these new 8-core machines, which have been announced literally today and you cannot possibly have any experience of.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by cutler » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:34 PM UTC

caconym_ wrote: post #388

everyone wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people on HN call the Mac OS 'great' ... But why? What is so great about it that is not similar on Linux or Windows? When ye say "great", I think ye mean "the one I am familiar with".

For me it's less about what's "so great" and more about what's not awful. I need a Unix-like command line environment and Windows is inferior there. Otherwise it's fine (I use it on my gaming machine), but if you look closely you can see it's a huge mess (e.g. the insane state of the control panel(s)) in ways Mac OS just isn't. Linux is too much work. I say this as someone who has used it for years, still uses it eve…

Another feature that keeps me on OS X is the ease of imaging a system and booting from that image. Also target disk mode - I've yet to see anything that comes close in Windows or Linux but I admit I'm a bit out of touch.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by pazimzadeh » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:34 PM UTC

burtonator wrote: post #450

cletus wrote: post #125

What a clusterF is modern Mac hardware: - Keyboards with much worse action that are more prone to failure (from dust no less) and require replacing the motherboard to fix... all for a Touchbar no one wants and 0.5mm cut in thickness. - Loss (over the years) of the ability to upgrade the CPU, SSD or memory; - Display failures due to broken ribbon cables; - The USB-C clusterF; and - Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurt…

> Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurts). I will NEVER forgive them for this. Jobs was RIGHT when he said this was a major innovation over everyone else. Now Apple is either saying he was wrong or THEY are wrong. They're not BOTH right. My 2015 is the last MBP I will ever buy and it's aging fast... I think it's hackingtosh from here on out. I primarily use Ubuntu but I have to have a Mac as our app runs cross platfor…

Could it be that battery life is so much better now, so people don’t have their computers plugged in as much of the time when working?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by skywhopper » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:35 PM UTC

Fascinating that the embedded pictures don't even show the keyboard (or the much-unloved Touch Bar).

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by LeoPanthera » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:36 PM UTC

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #456

Just thought I’d chime in to say I’m loving my Thinkpad X1 with Debian. If you want to install Debian on the X1 it’s pretty easy. Just make sure to fix some of the sleep issues using the (easy) instructions on this page, which in my experience still apply to Debian: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carb...

"Just make sure to fix some of the sleep issues..."

A great example of why people buy Macs, though. Most people don't want to faff around with hackery getting Linux to work properly. And with Windows 10's horrible privacy issues, Macs are still the best choice. They're buying them for the software, not the hardware.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by freehunter » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:36 PM UTC

unphased wrote: post #385

freehunter wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had the same problem. I had a i7 T420 with 16GB of RAM that was lightning quick when I got it and over a few years became completely unusable even for basic tasks. When I hit the Windows key to open the start menu, I could turn and take a sip of coffee before it opened. Reformatting and reinstalling from scratch did nothing to improve the speed. I switched to a Macbook soon after and it is just as fast today as…

Still doesn't seem right. with an SSD it's only as fast as Windows 7 on a rotating HDD?

Hitting the Windows key on Windows 7 even with an HDD was instant. Hitting the Windows key on Windows 10 with an HDD tok seconds. Installing an SSD brought it back to being instant.

Hard to get much faster than instant.