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Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#21
- Avoid all screens / blue light at least a half hour before bedtime

- No phones in the bedroom

- Eliminate light sources in the bedroom.. blackout curtains help a lot.

- No coffee after 2pm

- Lessen your daily stress as much as possible. (everyone is different so this is tough to generalize)

.. one thing that also really seems to help is listening to something while falling asleep. especially, and probably most importantly, something that you've already listened to many times before.

i'm a very light sleeper, and i thought this would never work for me, but it totally does.

I know friends that fall asleep with episodes of futurama or the office playing in the background. I usually choose foreign language audio books that I've listened to many times.

The listening takes your mind off whatever is keeping you awake, and the fact that you've listened to it many times before keeps you from needing to pay active attention.

These days I don't even set my audible sleep timer for more than 15 minutes.

- Last tip is to make sure you have a routine. If you're not going to bed and waking up at the same time every day, it's difficult to develop a rhythm that your body will adjust to.

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#22
Currently, quite poorly.

I find that I don't get tired until 4-5am (pretty sure my sleep schedule is messed up). Since I work remote I can either work late, or I get up early with less sleep.

I previously tried to use melatonin at night, but I've been taking it less since I'm not sure if it's helping or not.

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#23
I definitely recommend reading Why we Sleep by Matthew Walker to better understand what's going on biologically with sleep and why it's so vitally important to make sure you are sleeping well (and not ruining your sleep with things like sleeping pills, alcohol or marijuana). The audiobook is quite good.

Here are a few suggestions in no particular order:

- Light is very important in setting your circadian rhythm and making sure you are able to sleep. Try to maximize your sunlight / blue light exposure in the morning and then try your best to avoid sunlight and screens for as long as you can manage before bed (minimum half an hour). If you go outside in the late afternoon for a walk (strongly recommended!), wear sunglasses. If you have to use screens in the evening, install software to reduce blue light.

- Caffeine has a 6 hour half life in your system. That means that if you drink 4 cups of coffee and try to go to bed twelve hours later, your caffeine levels are still like you just drank a whole cup of coffee right before bed.

- Alcohol and Marijuana may seem to help you fall asleep but they're both detrimental to sleep quality and quantity. Alcohol is one of the strongest inhibitors of REM sleep we know of, even in very small quantities. If you're having sleep trouble, drop alcohol. If you really must drink, try to drink earlier so that less of it is in your system when you try to sleep. Marijuana also suppresses REM sleep, though it doesn't seem to cause you to wake up as much in the middle of the night as alcohol does so it may not be as bad I'd still say you should stay far away from Marijuana if you're having sleep problems. REM is very very important to many mental faculties.

- Sleeping pills like Ambien do not put you to sleep. They make you unconscious but it is not sleep. It's more comparable to being knocked out with a baseball bat. Avoid sleep drugs like the plague unless you're talking to a doctor with special training regarding sleep. Most doctors have almost no training on sleep and don't understand or respect its importance.

- I find my exercise levels very important to my sleep quantity and quality and notice a definite decline when I stop exercising. Try to exercise every day, even if its just a long (half hour plus) walk outdoors. Try to vigorously exercise an absolute minimum of twice a week though if your regular exercise is rather relaxed.

- Take up mindfulness meditation. Meditating will teach you the tools you need to recognize when you're unproductively lost in thought and break out of it. This is vital for me being able to fall asleep as thinking about work or other random mental rabbit holes is a big barrier to me personally falling asleep. Mindfulness helps you develop the mental superpower of saying "Oh, I don't actually want to think about that. Let's drop this train of thought." Also, it will help you manage your stress levels throughout the day which is very important for sleep.

- Invest in earplugs. It can make a real difference. Though, I do worry that I'm becoming a bit dependant on mine.

- Develop a strict sleep schedule and stick to it. Even on the weekends. Bounding around what time you fall asleep will destroy your ability to sleep reliably.

Hope some of that is helpful to someone.

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#24
post #18

It might help to be more descriptive of your issue, so people can give better advice. Is it that you're finding it difficult to decide to lay down and call it a day? Is it that you lay down, but can't fall sleep? Is it that you do fall sleep, but you don't feel rested on waking up? Is it that you're waking multiple times during the night and can't get into deep sleep? Do you feel physically or mentally tired? etc.

My biggest issue is that I can't lie down in my bed and stop thinking. I'll be awake for hours with these random thoughts assaulting my head. Even if I do fall asleep, I'll then wake up 3 hours later and feel worse.

Another weird thing is that I feel sleepier during the day than I do at night.

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#25
post #10

I'm having trouble to wake up rested lately, no matter if I sleep 7 hours, 8 hours, 10 hours or if I take a nap during the day. I actually have some sleeping suplements like tryptophan and melatonin in my shopping cart ready to buy them.

Do a sleep study. Any number of hours can be insufficient if you have sleep apnea, as the body is not getting the rest it needs.

I had the same problem. Using a CPAP since over 2 years now, and it has been life changing. The effect wasn't evident overnight for me and I think I am still recovering from decades of lack of proper sleep due to the apnea.

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#27
Here's what I did:

- Make your bedroom dark, quiet and cool

- Get a memory foam pillow

- Install blue-light filter on your phone, laptop or desktop (Twilight on Android, f.lux on Mac & Windows)

- Have your Vitamin D levels checked, take supplements if necessary

- Take 0.3 mg of Melatonin if you're having trouble sleeping

- Read Say Good Night to Insomnia [0]

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Say-Good-Night-Insomnia-Drug-Free/dp/...

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#28
post #18

It might help to be more descriptive of your issue, so people can give better advice. Is it that you're finding it difficult to decide to lay down and call it a day? Is it that you lay down, but can't fall sleep? Is it that you do fall sleep, but you don't feel rested on waking up? Is it that you're waking multiple times during the night and can't get into deep sleep? Do you feel physically or mentally tired? etc.

My biggest issue is that I can't lie down in my bed and stop thinking. I'll be awake for hours with these random thoughts assaulting my head. Even if I do fall asleep, I'll then wake up 3 hours later and feel worse. Another weird thing is that I feel sleepier during the day than I do at night.

There could be many things related to this but it seems like two main issues

1) You're being blown about by discursive thought

2) Your circadian rhythm is out of sync

For 1), I'd recommend taking up mindfulness meditation and practicing before bed. This will reduce stress and out you in a better mental state for sleeping.

2) could be caused by any number of things ranging from drugs (caffeine, alcohol, cannabis, sleep aids, etc.), insufficient exercise, not enough light in the morning, too much light in the evening, shifting bedtimes, noisy sleep environment, snoring, etc. Most of the comments around here will help with this problem though I'd be skeptical of anyone telling you to use medication or drugs for it. (I'm not anti-drug, I just think we don't understnad sleep or the brain well enough yet to effectively improve or induce sleep with drugs yet and most existing treatments seem to make you unconscious, but not necessarily asleep).

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#29
What does your caffeine/stimulant intake look like? Try cutting all stimulants if you use any.

What does your exercise schedule look like? Try (at least at the beginning) light exercise for an hour a day and at least several hours before you go to bed. This can be activities as simple as brisk walking.

Try going to sleep and waking up at the same time every day.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How Do You Sleep?

#30
Apart from the other excellent suggestions here:

- check CO2 levels in your bedroom - allergens(dust,pollen, etc) in your sleeping environment can cause breathing problems. - Acid reflux can also cause sleep issues. I've had good results raising the head of the bed by 6 inches to reduce this. - For daytime energy I've had very good results with supplemental potassium(500mg x 3). High daytime energy means more activity, which makes you tired, which makes falling asleep as night easier.

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