Would some disconnected third party be able to kindly doxx this douchebag couple for the benefit of everyone else? Thanks.
There is no need to, its already out in the open: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2oL_vh...
Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I see nothing wrong with naming names As he is pursuing legal options, I’m guessing his counsel told him not to.
He named people (and showed pictures of messages) on Twitter in this convo [1], FWIW. At this point, I think it's more to avoid further escalation, as said in the article. [1] https://twitter.com/unbalancedparen/status/11223070591548702...
Account is suspended it seems.
Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
You missed this part: > Generally, the best scenario is to talk with the involved parties, to cooperate and to seek a solution that doesn’t make the problem bigger. This isn’t always possible. In this case they went public and accused me and I had to explain what happened. One of the parties involved wasn't interested in civilized collaboration, but making false accusations instead.
He does not explain the whole story, so it is difficult to know. It does not really seem that he tried to talk to the person whose talk was cancelled (and who had probably already bought plane tickets, etc). I agree that, in the end, it is true that this person was a troublemaker that should not have been invited in the first place. However, it seems from the text that the organizers decided to cancel the invitation…
> It does not really seem that he tried to talk to the person whose talk was cancelled (and who had probably already bought plane tickets, etc).
You missed that as well. He and another person of his group reached out to her beforehand. Here's the part in the article that says so:
> Therefore, on April 25, 2019, I, along with an employee of my company, communicated to her our decision in a meeting held in a place of her choice. She took it badly.
The conference will happen next June.
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> Whatever, it is a bit absurd to have an opinion on this question without information from both sides.
The people who were denied were the ones who came forward and they never addressed nothing of the sort. They only engaged in doxxing, harassment of other speakers and false accusations.
This is not a proportional response.
All that happened in public. If you need info, just ask instead of assuming.
Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
He does not explain the whole story, so it is difficult to know. It does not really seem that he tried to talk to the person whose talk was cancelled (and who had probably already bought plane tickets, etc). I agree that, in the end, it is true that this person was a troublemaker that should not have been invited in the first place. However, it seems from the text that the organizers decided to cancel the invitation…
Why are you trying to create a scenario that justifies the speaker's false accusations and harassment of the organizer?
It's a hypothetical scenario (that turned out to be false), but it was a likely possibility that could be considered before acting to cancel the invitation.
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#145I am glad this was written without naming the people involved. Although I see nothing wrong with naming names in situations like this (see below) the lack of specific names meant I could focus on the experiences (as related by the poster) rather than having the specific people colour my opinion. The reason I think specifying people by name would have been OK is that 1 - they were presumably an issue for a number of a…
> I see nothing wrong with naming names As he is pursuing legal options, I’m guessing his counsel told him not to.
Sorry, I should have said "I see no moral or ethical prohibition on naming names of people who [meet the criteria I described]"
Yes, OP had a good reason not to do so! and it made for an interesting essay.
Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, go for it. But I know a male nurse and he's never experienced anything remotely like what a lot of women I know in tech experience so it's not the equal thought you might think it is.
What did doctors and lawyers do starting back in the 80s? We should do whatever they did, since it seems to have worked.
Why are you assuming we didn't?
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#147This is a serious question that I had to make a throwaway to ask:
How does someone determine what the 'right' balance is of gender, race, etc, for their given event? It seems like people often pick 50% female and 50% male, but why? What if their field is 90% male to begin with? What if their field is 90% female to begin with?
It doesn't make sense for me to hire programmers and ensure they are 50% female just as it doesn't make sense for me to hire psychologists and ensure they're 50% male. If you want more females to be interested in software, why don't you encourage it when they're young, rather than trying to force your conference to over-represent them over the baseline.
Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, go for it. But I know a male nurse and he's never experienced anything remotely like what a lot of women I know in tech experience so it's not the equal thought you might think it is.
What did doctors and lawyers do starting back in the 80s? We should do whatever they did, since it seems to have worked.
A heavy dose of affirmative action. At least in the law field. From what I've been told anecdotally is that women and minorities are not held to the same standard as white men. They are accepted even if they are less productive and women are allowed to work fewer hours to deal with child rearing.
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#149The conference scene feels like such a hostile environment. I have my own reasons for not being interested in speaking, but even absent that, my desire to avoid anything resembling the above is much stronger than whatever desire to have people listen to me talk about computers. And that's just speaking; organizing is something I would never do, and really can't imagine how people put up with it. There is a conference…
> The conference scene feels like such a hostile environment. It's a hostile environment either way - even the male speaker in this whole drama was widely known as "a male chauvinist who persecutes and intimidates women at sector conferences" - which is why he was so unwelcome in the first place! But sunlight is the best disinfectant - throw out with prejudice ANYONE who is publicly known to engage in intimidating be…
I don't understand how that's supposed to solve the problem that the conference scene feels hostile. To the extent that there are "two sides", sure, condemn bad people on both sides. But that's just making sure the shittiness is distributed evenly.
In other contexts, cancel culture is making everything terrible. This just sounds like more of that.
(By the way, I'm not allowed to post more than twice in 2 hour spans so I can't respond further)
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#150I was with the author until the diversity and equity part. Why does everything have to boil down to skin color and gender? I don't see why you need to offer this for a tech conference. It should be about ability and topics. Edit: I already regret making this post.
Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.
The biggest imbalance in tech is caused by economic status. I wouldn't call a policy that prioritizes gender and sex over poverty as fair. Seems far from that.