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Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by pzo »

askafriend wrote: post #88
bazooka_penguin wrote: post #65

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This sort of "upgrade" nickel and diming is true of every laptop vendor, but Apple is definitely one of the worst. It's like their pricing structure is stuck in 2012

The SSDs they use really do cost that much though. Even if you got them from another manufacturer they'd be about that expensive. Apple don't use cheap SSDs...they use blazing fast, top of the line units not found on many other laptops. If you have criticism, price isn't a valid one. But you can definitely argue that they should have cheaper/slower options so that consumers who don't need blazing fast SSDs can still…

You can buy SSD with the same specs 3.2GB Read and 2.2GB Write for much cheaper. Samsung sells 970 EVO 1 TB m.2 for $300 [1] but you can even buy cheaper on amazon for less than $235. Keep i mind those +$400 was price for upgrade from 500GB to 1TB not the price of 1TB which is much much more. For example Apple charges upgrading macbook pro 13 from 128GB (silly they even offer pro machine with such small SSD) to 1TB for..... $800! So in other words prices their 1TB SSD disk for ~$1000. It's insane.

[1] https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-st...

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by pmilla1606 »

thought_alarm wrote: post #38

The arrow keys and touchbar make that machine completely unsuitable for writing code, at least for me. My right hand needs to unconsciously lock on to the arrow keys, and that's just impossible with that layout. There's nothing to grab on to. My new iMac keyboard sits in a drawer collecting dust solely because of the arrow keys. And the butterfly mechanism is unproven and untrustworthy, I don't care how many times th…

This is the first time I've seen somebody else complain about the arrow keys and I completely agree.

It's by far the most infuriating aspect of this new keyboard.

Another thing that I have a hard time explaining is my inability to orientate myself on this keyboard; several times a day I have to move the laptop around, look at the keys and "reset" myself to the keyboard. I don't know what that's about but I've only ever experienced it on this keyboard.

My personal machine is a 2014 MBP which will be replaced with something other than a mac once the time comes.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by jlarocco »

soperj wrote: post #115
TimTheTinker wrote: post #94

Apple designers need a new mantra, the age-old adage: "Form follows function." As it is, they're choosing a form ahead of time and compromising on function. The vast majority of users choose Macs because of the great OS and the hardware specs. The "thinness" or "sleekness" is only a nice-to-have, and only if it doesn't require compromise elsewhere.

hardware specs? They usually very outdated. They didn't update the air processor for like 4 generations.

The hardware specs are "meh" at best, but the build quality is still better than the competitor..

I have a newer Thinkpad for work, and it feels cheap and plastic compared to my MBP. The Lenovo creaks when I pick it up with one hand, and just feels flimsy. The MBP feels solid and integrated.

I'd love a 2013 MBP with modern components.

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Post by dillonmckay »

holy_city wrote: post #158
inferiorhuman wrote: post #66

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All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. I've only ever had a 2016+ MBP as a work computer so I didn't mind the USB-C stuff too much (especially with a dock that I didn't have to pay for). The lack of dedicated ethernet port and SD card reader is vexxing though (on my personal 2015 MBP).

> All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. The disadvantage is that one of those USB-C ports will be your charging port when there is only 4 on the 15" and 2 on the 13". I don't mind USB-C/Thunderbolt so much, I think it's great we'll get products that will be forced to adopt it (looking at you, audio in…

The audio quality of the speakers pisses me off because of how good it sounds.

Such an unnecessary ‘enhancement’, and reminds me of the old HP Pavilion laptops, touting Altec Lansing speakers, which I thought was asinine.

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Post by bumbledraven »

xchaotic wrote: post #169
unicornfinder wrote: post #127

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As a Vim user, just do what any sane man would do and rebind caps lock to escape. Much better.

what's a good way for vim to have that when you ssh into a remote box? Would you do the rebinding in the Terminal app or something, agent forwarding or something similar? I ssh into newly provisioned boxes regularly to edit some config files so I'd need something that works not just locally...

Standard key mappings are performed by the OS of the computer to which your keyboard is connected (either physically or via bluetooth or some such). When you press caps lock, the OS sees a caps lock keypress, but any application programs on your computer, including terminal, will see only an ESC keypress. Terminal will dutifully send the ESC press to the ssh program running in Terminal, which in turn should send it along to the remote host into which you are ssh'd.

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Post by swozey »

simongr3dal wrote: post #184

They can try to cram all the overheating CPU power into the thin chassis as much as they like, but it is lagging so much behind in GPU power. The top-of-the-line option, a Radeon Pro Vega 20 with 4GB of HBM2, doesn't seems like it's going to perform much better than an NVidia Geforce GTX 1050[0], and at $350 extra it's twice the cost of a standalone NVidia Geforce GTX 1050. [0]: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/…

The sad part about this, I thought I'd put together a new Mac Mini as a once a month gaming machine and a daily OSX driver so I didn't have to built an entire gaming desktop.

Well there's an absolute ton of issues with external GPUs in bootcamped Windows.

So.. that's not even an option.

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Post by jasonm89 »

Scarbutt wrote: post #197
ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

The cheapest XPS 15" is more expensive than the cheapest MB 15". Are there any reliable ~$1000 laptops to host linux?

T480

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by EForEndeavour »

bitwize wrote: post #175
nothis wrote: post #36

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I never got why, if they really want the touch bar, they don't do both . F-keys and touch bar. I kinda would have welcomed this because the "fn" key is a horrible presence on any laptop keyboard anyway and I'd happily would have seen them delegate screen brightness and audio to the touch bar as a separate input.

My guess is that Apple is using the idiot bar as a trial balloon for abolishing physical keyboards altogether in favor of a touch interface (perhaps one with reconfigurable raised bumps for keys).

I sincerely hope you're wrong.
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