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SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by moe »

chrismiller wrote: post #18
robryan wrote: post #10

As you would expect unmetered bandwidth from 100TB is truly unmetered and unshared, with no limits and no small print. Unmetered servers use exactly the same SoftLayer network as their 100TB equivalents and are fitted with 1000Mbit ports. Hosting plans page though has: Unmetered Bandwidth (324TB) add $399 / month

100TB a month = ~300mbps of constant use. The Unmetered upgrade means that you could saturate the full 1gbps for the entire month.

means that you could saturate the full 1gbps for the entire month.

Except for the minor inconvenience that they cancel your account when you actually do that.

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by jacquesm »

moe wrote: post #2

The information is spotty but from what I gather it seems someone (SimpleCDN) took the "unlimited bandwidth" claims on 100tb.com a little bit too literally - and tried to build a business around them. The question remains why a supposed infrastructure company thought it'd be a good idea to rely on a single other company to provide their... infrastructure.

Lots of companies have single points of failure like this, probably more of them than those that don't.

This only goes to show that if it is too good to be true it probably isn't.

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by cheald »

moe wrote: post #2

The information is spotty but from what I gather it seems someone (SimpleCDN) took the "unlimited bandwidth" claims on 100tb.com a little bit too literally - and tried to build a business around them. The question remains why a supposed infrastructure company thought it'd be a good idea to rely on a single other company to provide their... infrastructure.

If you're going to sell "unlimited" bandwidth, you'd damned well be ready to deliver it. It's arguably very naive of SimpleCDN to build a business on an "unlimited" provider (there's no free lunch, after all), but selling services as "unlimited (unless we decide you're actually using what we sold you, in which case we're going to kick you off)" is not cool.

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by joshfraser »

From 100TB's TOS (presumably just added):

We will not provide services to those that are using our services for:

A content delivery network or content distribution network (CDN) is prohibited from running on our network. Special requests to run CDN services may be approved on a case by case basis. Failure to comply with this policy will result in the disabling of all hosting services.

http://www.100tb.com/tos.php

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by davidu »

moe wrote: post #2

The information is spotty but from what I gather it seems someone (SimpleCDN) took the "unlimited bandwidth" claims on 100tb.com a little bit too literally - and tried to build a business around them. The question remains why a supposed infrastructure company thought it'd be a good idea to rely on a single other company to provide their... infrastructure.

Unlimited bandwidth is easy to provide. Just rate-limit the port once they exceed a certain amount of bits transferred. They still have unlimited bandwidth, but at 128kbps instead of 128000kbps.

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by treo »

davidu wrote: post #35
moe wrote: post #2

The information is spotty but from what I gather it seems someone (SimpleCDN) took the "unlimited bandwidth" claims on 100tb.com a little bit too literally - and tried to build a business around them. The question remains why a supposed infrastructure company thought it'd be a good idea to rely on a single other company to provide their... infrastructure.

Unlimited bandwidth is easy to provide. Just rate-limit the port once they exceed a certain amount of bits transferred. They still have unlimited bandwidth, but at 128kbps instead of 128000kbps.

That is what strato does, it drops the 100mbit to 10 mbit until you unlock it, and this game goes on every 300gb (it starts at 1tb).

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by andfarm »

bmelton wrote: post #3
moe wrote: post #2

The information is spotty but from what I gather it seems someone (SimpleCDN) took the "unlimited bandwidth" claims on 100tb.com a little bit too literally - and tried to build a business around them. The question remains why a supposed infrastructure company thought it'd be a good idea to rely on a single other company to provide their... infrastructure.

I hope that's the case, honestly, and I hope that it does go to court. I'm frankly sick and tired of the 'unlimited' advertising model, wherein unlimited really means limited to some arbitrary amount that is not disclosed. As a customer who has been kicked off of a number of unlimited hosting services for a site that only does ~30Gb or so in traffic in a month, I'd love to see hard limits advertised rather than 'unli…

We (at DreamHost) don't state any explicit limits as they're pretty fluid in practice. The effective limits are basically:

* Don't use enough resources that you make it hard for us to provide good service to other customers. (Saturating the network / filling the filesystem = bad.)

* If you're legitimately using lots of resources, we'll move you around if you start getting near the limits on the hardware you're on, but we won't install new hardware just for you.

And, of course, you're also required to stay within the ToS, which exclude most of the really obvious ways of burning through lots of resources. (Public upload / mirror sites aren't permitted, pirated media is obviously a no-go, and you aren't allowed to use your "unlimited" disk space for content that isn't part of your site.) We've got some $10/month customers who are using insane amounts of resources; so long as they don't expand beyond what we can handle without building new infrastructure just for them, we're happy to keep them on.

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by moe »

joshfraser wrote: post #34

From 100TB's TOS (presumably just added): We will not provide services to those that are using our services for: A content delivery network or content distribution network (CDN) is prohibited from running on our network. Special requests to run CDN services may be approved on a case by case basis. Failure to comply with this policy will result in the disabling of all hosting services. http://www.100tb.com/tos.php

That's a hilarious tactic.

Are they now going to blacklist bandwidth intensive business models one by one until only blogs and "under construction" pages are left on their "high bandwidth" plans?

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by xd »

My company had a server hosted with UK2. We bailed when they had no answer to why our server restarted randomly and made absolutely no attempt to look into the problem. The lack of respect from them, that our company depended on a reliable server, just astounded me.

After reading this I'm doubly glad we moved away from them.

Re: SimpleCDN has been effectively kicked off the Internet by its ISPs w/o warning

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Post by mdaniel »

tybris wrote: post #22

Could this month get any better for Amazon? -It's December -Mastercard.com and Paypal.com went down making Amazon one of the few on-line shops that could still process payments -Since no Amazon service went down under DDoS, big companies will come crawling to them to use AWS -SimpleCDN goes down, no doubt driving lots of customers to bigger parties like AWS -They are making boat loads of money http://www.wolframalpha…

Does mastercard.com process payments? I got the impression that it was just the marketing/corporate presence that was affected.
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