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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by masklinn »

akamel wrote: post #137
jpalomaki wrote: post #108

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I don’t doubt they are faster than other laptop SSDs, but those results look quite suspicious.

They are not 'suspicious' they really are that fast compared to the standard cheap SSDs. It's the difference between cheap SATA SSDs and expensive NVMe PCIe SSDs. Search for comps on any online retailer and you'll see how expensive and fast those are.

> It's the difference between cheap SATA SSDs and expensive NVMe PCIe SSDs.

> Search for comps on any online retailer and you'll see how expensive and fast those are.

$250 for a 1TB 970 EVO Plus. Which has better write throughput.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by lelf »

akamel wrote: post #67
nothis wrote: post #46

I checked their store out of curiosity. Switching from 512MB to 1TB SSD: +$400 WHY? This is literally the only thing that bothers me about Apple pricing. I get that you pay for the design, I get the quirks like introducing touch bar, everything. But I don't get why upgrading from a $50 to a $100 SSD adds 400 dollars.

Because they don't use slow SSDs. The read / write speeds on the SSD in the Macbook Pro are insane. see: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/13/2018-macbook-pro-fastes... we are talking at least 6x what other laptops use.

Not to mention that it’s basically 4 SSDs on 4 PCIe buses.

Edit: I don’t really understand downvotes. SSD on recent Macbook Pros does connect to the northbridge via 4 PCIe lanes. And this is not what “but look I can the same for £50” SSD does.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by bdamm »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #89
andyfleming wrote: post #41

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I've been using MacBook Pro's with the touch bar for a while now, but I just picked up a MacBook Air (in addition to my MacBook Pro). It has a mechanical top row, with just the Touch ID button at the end and it's fantastic. It's so nice to have those keys back! I would pay $100 extra for a MacBook Pro without the touch bar. Here's the keyboard in all its glory (if you're curious): https://www.apple.com/newsroom/image…

I actually really like the touch bar. I'd enjoy my 2016 MBP if it wasn't for the 2 keys that are now unreliable on the keyboard. That and the fact that it crashes every time the battery runs out.

I like the touch bar too. I just want the Esc key back (although they did add the option to remap CapsLock to Esc, so hurray for that, but honestly it was a delayed feature.)

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

akamel wrote: post #148
lern_too_spel wrote: post #121

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Your article is comparing against non workstation class laptops. Other laptops in the same class put two NVME SSDs in a RAID configuration for double the throughout.

And in those workstation class laptops (that use NVMe PCIe SSD), do you only pay 50$ more to upgrade from 512gb to 1tb? No one is saying those SSDs are Apple exclusive, they are however expensive.

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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by rpearl »

m0zg wrote: post #73

As a Vim user: no physical escape key, no deal. I've recently tried working on one of these, and the bar is really annoying for another reason: as you switch between apps it keeps changing right in the corner of your vision, distracting from what's going on on the screen. WTF were they thinking?

I get it, but also please map capslock to escape, your pinky will thank you for it

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by everyone »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #94

Apple designers need a new mantra, the age-old adage: "Form follows function." As it is, they're choosing a form ahead of time and compromising on function. The vast majority of users choose Macs because of the great OS and the hardware specs. The "thinness" or "sleekness" is only a nice-to-have, and only if it doesn't require compromise elsewhere.

Lots of people on HN call the Mac OS 'great' ... But why? What is so great about it that is not similar on Linux or Windows?

When ye say "great", I think ye mean "the one I am familiar with".

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by endymi0n »

popularrecluse wrote: post #135
mmartinson wrote: post #90

I'm currently using the last, best 2015 macbook, and having tried a newer model as a work computer for a short while previously, am dreading the day I need to think about replacing it. How about this apple. "macbook util". The pro line can keep the thin delicate stuff. Give me the 2015 case, screen, keyboard, and magsafe, with some new internals and a usb-c. I'd happily hand over my money.

Yes, a developer's edition. I'll take a heavier, larger device with more and varied ports and extended battery life please. An all-hardware keyboard with a useful arrow-key configuration that doesn't make me press the wrong key all the time. An actual 'esc' key so I have my caps lock key back.

Is there a petition I can sign? Will pay 20% on top.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by holy_city »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #66
asark wrote: post #54

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IMO they needed one transitional design where they replaced the thunderbolt (is that right? I get all their storm-named ports mixed up) ports, and maybe the charger port if they must, with USB-C, but kept HDMI and at least one USB-A. I use the SDCARD port all the time but I could see their getting rid of it. The other stuff? Gimme a break, going all USB-C from a state of no USB-C? WTF was I supposed to plug into it w…

All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. I've only ever had a 2016+ MBP as a work computer so I didn't mind the USB-C stuff too much (especially with a dock that I didn't have to pay for). The lack of dedicated ethernet port and SD card reader is vexxing though (on my personal 2015 MBP).

> All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only.

The disadvantage is that one of those USB-C ports will be your charging port when there is only 4 on the 15" and 2 on the 13".

I don't mind USB-C/Thunderbolt so much, I think it's great we'll get products that will be forced to adopt it (looking at you, audio interfaces/DACs). The MBP has been a port desert for a long time and dongles are awful UX - and they just keep removing more and more of them.

It baffles me when they try and do things that seem to improve UI/UX, like the touchbar (which I hate, but I get it), the move to Retina displays, high quality dual-front facing speakers on all models now, etc... but then they turn around and remove IO options and roll out a terrible keyboard. It seems like they have warped priorities for the mac line.

Personally if the move to ARM and don't offer MacOS as a standalone product, the pro-media world will probably abandon Macs altogether. And I don't really want to develop for another OS, I love mac. The machines are just awful.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by nuccy »

ajconway wrote: post #76
nuccy wrote: post #47

8-core CPU, even presumably with HT off after all the recent Intel vulnerabilities, makes me laugh after my personal experience with my late 2016 MacBook Pro 13 touch bar with fastest (at that time) i7. During normal browsing especially with plugged charger, it was heating so much that something in the keyboard was unglueing. The space bar and 'c' produced different clicking sound. I was quite unhappy with that since…

8-core CPU means that I can rebuild my code almost twice as fast. That's 8 minutes vs. 16. Doesn't make me laugh. I guess there's a reason it's "Pro".

Sure, performance will increase, I'm not arguing with that. I was just refering to my own experience. Personally, particarly this issue, made me use servers/clusters more, so data analysis or massive code compilation I do remotely, and for me 'Pro' now means a stable OS, good screen, good touchpad, good sound laptop which just runs IDE and browser (and occasional small Python tests of algorithms in Jupiter).

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by Cacti »

bluedino wrote: post #114
Cacti wrote: post #42

The press release is downright misleading. For 8 cores, or even 6, you have to buy the 15" model. Neither are available in the 13" model. And the 15", while starting at $2399, is not the 8 core option, that is the old 6 core option. And of course the 8 core option, at $2799, only has 512GB of disk space and 16GB RAM. If you want a reasonable 32GB and 1TB disk space (which presumably you would if you have a use for 8…

$3600 isn't all that much. Bought a G3 PowerBook for that much with 256GB of RAM and 80GB HD.

And a 20 year old laptop is relevant because... ?
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