try this:
docker run -it wolframengine/wolframengineFree Wolfram Engine for Developers
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Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#112> Why Aren’t You Using Our Technology? It’s not open source. Even if the engine is “free”, I don’t want to build an open source product with it and hope to be granted a “free production license.” If I build something on my own time I don’t want to ask my employer to purchase a “production license” as soon as it becomes useful. Wolfram believes that mathematics software (or “computational knowledge” or whatever he cal…
>But that’s completely at odds with how most software engineers work these days. Most software is grounded in an open source development and deployment tool chain. Imagine saying this with a straight face. Maybe in web development, but the vast majority of programmers are using closed source tools to produce closed source software. You're either thinking of a tiny picture vs the whole picture (web devs vs programming…
> you honestly have zero concept of what programming looks like outside of web apps
Are you serious? I don't do web apps. But almost 100% of our stack is based on open source technologies. Python, Twisted, Go, etc. Every single thing we use is open source.
It is ironic that you are accusing someone else of having zero concept of what programming looks like outside of web apps when one could easily think the same thing about you.
Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#113> Why Aren’t You Using Our Technology? It’s not open source. Even if the engine is “free”, I don’t want to build an open source product with it and hope to be granted a “free production license.” If I build something on my own time I don’t want to ask my employer to purchase a “production license” as soon as it becomes useful. Wolfram believes that mathematics software (or “computational knowledge” or whatever he cal…
>But that’s completely at odds with how most software engineers work these days. Most software is grounded in an open source development and deployment tool chain. Imagine saying this with a straight face. Maybe in web development, but the vast majority of programmers are using closed source tools to produce closed source software. You're either thinking of a tiny picture vs the whole picture (web devs vs programming…
The parent goes too far in one direction and you go too far in an other. I work in embedded linux development and my entire toolchain (kernel, userland, compiler, flashing tools, and desktop environment) are 100% open source. I suspect that people who target Windows or Mac OS might be in a different situation but that's to be expected, when you target a closed proprietary environment you end up having to use closed proprietary tools.
Admittedly I go out of my way to avoid including closed source components in my work but that's not just an ideological decision. As the parent points out, and especially when you're a developer, there's a massive amount of freedom and power to open source tools. Don't like something? You can tweak it any way you like. You don't have to worry about the IP owner pulling the rug from under you without notice. I want to use that code on my MIPS32 target? I can try to port it, I don't have to beg the vendor to release a version just for me.
If anything in my experience the archetypal "modern web dev" crowd (the one that got into programming through Javascript, basically) is the one that benefits the least from this because often they don't dare to patch their window manager or their shell to customize them. These days C is often considered a weird arcane language, something like the Latin of CS (including in this very forum) so people don't feel empowered to modify these applications. The fact that modern DEs like to treat their users like slow children instead of exposing the tools that could help them become "power users" probably doesn't help.
Then of course for people who don't actually try to read or modify the source of the programs they use "open source" is more of a political statement than anything else. There's no real benefit for them.
I'm making generalities of course, I'm not saying that all web devs fit this description.
I hope this trend will change as newer, more "friendly" languages like Go and Rust make forays in the system programming space. Hopefully that'll motivate the new generation to get over their fear of system programming and start embracing and customizing the tools their use.
Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but I am claiming it’s uncommon to use closed source developer tools (compilers, interpreters, standard libraries, etc.). The mere fact that the most popular programming languages in the world are provided as open source implementations is a testament to that. There are some stragglers. I think K is closed source. Commercial implementations of APL are closed source but somewhat popula…
Nearly all professional Windows development has been and still is done in Visual Studio. This alone makes your "uncommon" claim void, and there are other examples outside of the Windows ecosystem equally well-rooted in proprietory tools.
I have changed 7 jobs in 15 years so far and not once I have done Windows development in Visual Studio. Nor have I seen anyone in my company doing so.
I would say Windows development in Visual Studio is by far uncommon when you compare with technologies like Python, C (with GCC or Clang), Java (OpenJDK), JavaScript, etc.
Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
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Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they open sourced it, it would be less than a year before you'd start seeing "Azure Wolfram" and "AWS Wolfram" and so on and I can sort of understand why he might not want that to happen.
Can't they use a more restricted license that prevents that?
Which more restricted open source license would prevent that? There is none!
Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#117Translation:
"We're losing mindshare and customers to open-source alternatives."
Great open-source alternatives to Wolfram products can be found in the ecosystems of projects like Jupyter, Scientific Python, TensorFlow, PyTorch, and Julia, to name a few.
Major sponsors of such alternatives include Alphabet, Facebook, and Microsoft.
It's hard to compete against that.
Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#118Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I realize that. But what I said was that I'm not clear on what the 'Wolfram Engine' is and what it cannot do. It doesn't seem like a full implementation of the Wolfram Language for free, but I don't actually know. Or is it that it's missing the Mathematica front end but has a full backend kernel implementation?
Yeah, now I understand your question. Reading the blog post made me think it would actually be a full implementation of the Wolfram Language for free. So I was curious and signed up for a developer license. I got to the confirmation page, which helpfully told me to run "WolframScript" to activate the license. But there was no download link, so I googled around and found this[1] page. They seem to only have packages f…
For me it was being downloaded in the background. Don't remember exactly which button starts the download though.
Re: Free Wolfram Engine for Developers
#120> Why Aren’t You Using Our Technology? It’s not open source. Even if the engine is “free”, I don’t want to build an open source product with it and hope to be granted a “free production license.” If I build something on my own time I don’t want to ask my employer to purchase a “production license” as soon as it becomes useful. Wolfram believes that mathematics software (or “computational knowledge” or whatever he cal…
>But that’s completely at odds with how most software engineers work these days. Most software is grounded in an open source development and deployment tool chain. Imagine saying this with a straight face. Maybe in web development, but the vast majority of programmers are using closed source tools to produce closed source software. You're either thinking of a tiny picture vs the whole picture (web devs vs programming…
C, C++, Fortran, Haskell, ML, Anything .Net, Rust, Java, Go, Linux etc. Are all open source so I think you are correct but way off in terms of scope