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Self-driving trucks begin mail delivery test for U.S. Postal Service

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Re: Self-driving trucks begin mail delivery test for U.S. Postal Service

#41

Totally self driving. Well, except for the driver. And also the engineer sitting next to the driver. But otherwise, self driving.

I agree. This is a big nothing-burger. I can create a self-driving car as long as there's a real driver behind the wheel when needed. It doesn't say anything about how much autonomy is actually expected.

Semi's can't react as quickly to changing conditions as a Tesla. Rolling carnage. This will never work.

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#43

"possible solution to the driver shortage and regulatory constraints faced by freight haulers across the country" - mmm, every industry is facing worker shortage huh -.-

Unemployment is very low right now. However, the most accurate statement is always, "shortage of people that have the qualifications we want that are willing to work for the payment we're offering."

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A valuable service which they charge money for, and should generate revenue to cover their costs. Pension funding politics aside, I want to pay USPS postage fees which cover the cost of the service they provide. There’s no reason to be paying below cost postage to USPS. I find that their rates are extremely competitive, particularly priority mail flat rate compared to UPS or FedEx. I think the post office could be do…

You can't put aside the pension funding politics but still want to pay the USPS more, since the price of postage fees is set by federal law and must be approved by Congress. The reason you pay below cost to the USPS is because Congress demands it.

The other part about increasing postage is that people are asked to pay more, but they don't necessarily see an improvement in the service that comes with the postage. I think about this a lot with public transit too, what a lot of people pay at the farebox doesn't necessarily cover the cost of the ride.

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Trains are super efficient. My uncle is a locomotive engineer. He has one or two conductors with a train that is a couple of miles long. They pay a premium to keep staffing at a minimum -- he can be called with 30 minutes notice to come in and drive a train for a 24 hour period. You'd probably be able to run more smaller trains with automation, but competing with trucks is tough, because the efficiency gains associat…

So I was a bit incredulous at the claim of miles-long trains. If anyone else is - turns out, there's a wikipedia page which has more information on very long trains (it's true): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_trains

Yep! This is where the western / action movie trope of racing to cross the train tracks comes from. If you can get the train between yourself and your pursuer, it’s going to be a long time before they can do anything to catch up again. Often times in these movies, whoever is fleeing will take a few casual moments to look back at their blocked pursuer because there’s so much time to spare.

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#46
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This is happening everywhere with all kinds of government services. "Slash budgets" and by firing full time employees and cutting investment, piecemeal it out to the lowest-bid contractor, the quality of service deteriorates, not much money is actually saved, but someone gets rich(er)!

And when the service fails, you can point to it as the reason government solutions don't work and how regulation is bad, which provides convenient reasoning to strip more regulations and privatize more government services.

And it has a name as well : Starve the beast.

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#47
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trains are super efficient. My uncle is a locomotive engineer. He has one or two conductors with a train that is a couple of miles long. They pay a premium to keep staffing at a minimum -- he can be called with 30 minutes notice to come in and drive a train for a 24 hour period. You'd probably be able to run more smaller trains with automation, but competing with trucks is tough, because the efficiency gains associat…

So I was a bit incredulous at the claim of miles-long trains. If anyone else is - turns out, there's a wikipedia page which has more information on very long trains (it's true): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_trains

Go out West sometime and wait at a railroad crossing for a freight train to pass. You'll probably be a while.

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#48
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IIRC the movie Space Camp (80s?) features a mail-robot, perhaps the kid hides in it?

Flight of the Navigator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4v-dMfzp3E

Ah, thanks, I didn't think it was quite right.

Re: Self-driving trucks begin mail delivery test for U.S. Postal Service

#49
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A valuable service which they charge money for, and should generate revenue to cover their costs. Pension funding politics aside, I want to pay USPS postage fees which cover the cost of the service they provide. There’s no reason to be paying below cost postage to USPS. I find that their rates are extremely competitive, particularly priority mail flat rate compared to UPS or FedEx. I think the post office could be do…

You can't put aside the pension funding politics but still want to pay the USPS more, since the price of postage fees is set by federal law and must be approved by Congress. The reason you pay below cost to the USPS is because Congress demands it.

I think this is no longer true for some time now.

> It should be noted, however, that the 2006 postal law sought to provide the Postal Service with increased pricing flexibility and to promote simpler, quicker and more efficient process for changing postage prices. [1]

I think by and large current rates cover the costs. There is a weird international looohole which they are closing. We should not be subsidizing free shipping from China.

My point is mainly I don’t want to see taxpayer subsidies in excess of postage. I believe without the pension funding weirdness the USPS would be about break even, but there’s lots of conflicting information.

[1] - https://www.prc.gov/faqs#t8n185

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>TuSimple and the USPS declined to disclose the cost of the program, but Frum said no tax dollars were used and the agency relies on revenue from sales of postage and other products. Really? This is exactly the kind of thing we should be spending tax dollars on. I have no idea why people think the USPS is this giant wasteful pit of money in the federal budget but they provide a lot of valuable services in addition to…

I didn't even know until about a month ago that the USPS is one of the only constitutionally-mandated federal institutions (in school, we focused a lot on the Bill of Rights, not so much on the articles themselves).

I don't think this is quite right. The Postal Clause give congress the power to establish the USPS. It doesn't mandate that they do so. If Congress decided the USPS was no longer necessary (not a position I advocate), they would be well within their rights to pass a law abolishing it.
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